Re: Wanted @ gigspot.co.uk - Live bands and music venues

>>> So long as you enter a valid email address in folkmap, *it* will remind
>>> you automatically of the existence of your entry, and the need to keep
>>> it up to date. All you will have to do is click on a link to agree that
>>> it's all still OK.
>> Why couldn't you just reply to the email?
> Imagine there are 500/1000 entries - do you want to volunteer to reply to
> all of them?

You're generating the emails, so they will all be in the same format. It's
quite routine for mailing lists to work that way; just require the user to
reply with "Confirm" in the message body to leave the entry the way it is.


> And it's actually more work for the user to reply than to click a link.

It is FAR quicker to send back a one-word answer from a mailer that you've
already got running in front (because that's how you got the notification)
than to start up or context-switch into another process, go to the URL,
type in your userid and password, then enter the same one word.

This kind of nonsense is why I interact with Usenet groups or mailing
lists daily or even more frequently but do sessions on web forums no
more than once a week - combine that startup overhead with their treacle-
slow indexing and page serving, and things like Mudcat soon become a real
pain.


>> When the originator of the data wants to promulgate a change, they
>> should be able to do it more quickly than by logging in to every
>> site it's got to. That means getting it on *one* of the cooperating
>> directories and having that one get it to the others by some non-
>> interactive protocol (emails in a standardized format, for example).
> I'm afraid that that's so far beyond where we are in terms of general
> technology that it is a happy fantasy. I'm sure that if you want to
> volunteer to design the format of the data, and the interfaces, and
> then to find someone who will code it for all the different technologies,
> oh, and for free, we can come to some arrangement :-)

The information is much like what goes in vcards, which are emailable
and already supported. Cooperating directory managers can mass-mail
each other the records when they get notified of a change. (If there
is no guarantee that changes will be promulgated automatically, there
is no point in sharing information, it doesn't make it any easier for
the providers).

At any rate, the information does need to be interchangeable in a
structured textual format of some sort. I'd guess you are already
using something like that internally, and if so, as first on the
block, you can just insist that everybody else uses your format.

Isn't this what X.500/LDAP is for?


>>> To "exchange data" is a prime way to perpetuate error
>> The more widespread an error is, the more obvious it is and the
>> faster it can be corrected.
> So the way to deal with error is to spread it all over the system?

Yes, because there's no better way to get somebody with a clue to
notice it's wrong. There are certainly outdated entries for sessions
that I go to or have provided information about which are still
sitting in directories I've forgotten about or never knew about in
the first place. If somebody were to to mirror that data on a site
I do look at, I'd be able to feed back a correction. There are
precedents - that's how the open-source software development process
is supposed to work, and how Wikipedia (sort of) works.


>>>> if you need a contact name, put me down [...] but NOT my email address
>>>> in a spambot-readable form like a "mailto:"; link
>>> Wouldn't work. The person who posts the data *owns* the data, their own
>>> email address is the guarantee of quality.
>> It doesn't need to be made public in a form that spambots can read
> I didn't say it had to be,

"Wouldn't work" looks like that was exactly what you said.

Can you guarantee that the email addresses of people who submit entries
will never be made publicly readable on the Web or distributed to third
parties without explicit consent?

> nor is it, what I said was the person who posts the data, owns it.
> They provide folkmap with their email address, and by that means,
> intermittent checks are made to see if the event continues to exist.

I have no problem with that, so long as the email address database is
protected.

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