Re: Food, Fuel and Family Finances...


"michael adams" <mjadams27@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Some of those morons even think it's "better" to be
charged
£5.50
a
gallon than £3 a gallon.


So how would you rather pay your tax to the Government ?

Unless you can produce reliable data proving that the UK
levies
more
tax overall per citizen then any other developed country
with an
equivalent
level of social welfare (in all senses of the term) - this
taxation
to
include things like local sales taxes, then whinges about
taxation
levels -
how its gathered or how its spent is just so much hand
waving
and
hot air I'm afriad.

The problem with fuel tax, and most indirect taxes, are that
they
are
regressive, ie the poorer you are the higher the percentage of
your
income you pay in the tax.


The poorer you are the higher the percentage of your income you
pay for almost everything excepting those luxuries you can't
afford
at all. Including all the necessities such as food, clothing,
heating,
rent etc. Had that thought never occured to you before ?

Duh, really? The point is that taxation can and often is
structured to
take into account ability to pay. Some people think that's a good
idea.

...

Oh really ? So you think multi- millionaires can only afford to pay
a maximum
income tax rate of 40% then do you ?

Eh? That was my point...

For the priviledge of being able to
make a profit out of dealing with their fellow U.K citizens ?

A straight yes or no answer will do.

No. NuLab have been incredibly generous to the rich. Even Thatcher
made the rich pay 60% for most of her time as PM. Virtually all the
new and increased taxes this government have imposed on us have been
regressive, including fuel tax.

Or maybe if multi- millionares could be persuaded they could maybe
afford to
pay a little more, or weren't as successful as they are at evading
the tax they should be paying - and can well afford to pay -
there'd be less need for direct taxes in the first place.

Ding. Now try convincing the morons in this government.

That's simply a virtue of allowing a proportion of the
population
to earn astronomical salaries, by virtue of lowering income tax
rates
salaries which are far in excess of their actual needs.

I'd imagine that car ownership and mileage is inversly
proportional
to
income in any case.

Inversly? Those with the highest incomes are less likely to own a
car?

...

Well spotted.

If you hung around for long enough, I was bound to slip up
eventually.

Lucky old you, eh ?

Ha! I'm used to it by now.

The only exception possibly being the rural poor
who are a very small percentage of the total poor as compared
with towns and inner cities.

So the rural poor are an exception to the inverse relationship? I
would say the city dwelling poor are less likely to own a car than
the
rural poor.

...

Yeah, yeah, no need to milk it. You'll be wanting to do a lap
of honour next.

I got dizzy the last few times.

In any case the point stands.

It doesn't...

Fewer poor people own cars and so pay fuel
duty.

Yes but not in proportion to income. I know lots of people on minimum
state benefits who run cars (and all are city dwellers). There are
firms who specialise in selling cars (well, really selling the
finance) to people on benefits.

I take the point that poorer people will generally spend less on fuel
than richer people, however poorer people will on average spend a
greater proportion of their income on fuel. Car travel may generally
increase with income, but not at anywhere near the same rate. So fuel
tax is regressive.

Although many might travel on public transport where higher fuel
duty may eventually be reflected in increased fares or bigger
subsidies
to private operators than those they already get.

You think the poor can affort public transport? Seriously, many can't.
Local public transport prices have gone up even more than petrol over
the last decade or two.

--
Andy



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