Re: The Apprentice - Quantum Physisististists's's need not apply!!

On 19 Apr, 23:16, Alan Hope <not.alan.h...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sofa - Spud goes:





On 19 Apr, 12:13, Alan Hope <not.alan.h...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sofa - Spud goes:
Being very intelligent in a certain area burt lacking basic
commonsense I put right back to their childhood. It's perfectly easy
to teach a child about the little things in life that will help them
and yet still help them in the top GSCE groups , the after school
science clubs etc. Too many people let the kids become nerds without
realising.
What are you on about now?
People who are intelligent in the way Sophie is, are not intelligent
in the same way you might consider Alan Sugar to be. End of story. We
use one word for it, perhaps, but we're talking about two different
phenomena.
I fail to see what advantage you're really giving your child by
teaching them it's okay to make a bit of money duckin an divin,
selling crap for two quid that's worth ***-all. You no doubt agree
with Tre that a bit of cutting corners with the VAT is also okay? Why
not? These are things that go on in the real world, so they must be
okay.
I wasn't on about ducking and diving or in fact on about the morals of
the task last night at all . I was talking generally about how
_sometimes_ those with very high quality degrees can sometimes lack
basic commonsense .

Well there's no "basic commonsense" involved in selling tat for a
ridiculous price and living with it. It's wrong, and she's right to
think so. She might not have done her prospects in the game much good
by saying so, but *** it, she's still right. Those lollies were a
rip-off, which is why they had to resort to disgraceful tactics --
rejected by the boss of Woolies no less -- to make them work.

So she got kicked off for having a bit of decency. As someone else
said, she gets to leave with some integrity intact. What the *** are
you calling common sense that you would put her in the wrong?

You have _as usual_ missed the point I was making entirely , I was as
I have already pointed out not talking about the task .


Commonsense in many areas - to get a really good
all rounder , a briliant degree with a really good grasp of
commonsense is more unusual than it seems.

That's because the two things are often mutually exclusive. What
you're calling common sense is almost exclusively mentioned by people
who have had no education. They think it's some sort of magic pill
that takes the place of a formal education (which they refer to as "a
piece of paper").

Thats your opinion , held by you but not by me.


People who are smart in academic and in other ways recognise the value
of both aspects, and they tend not in my experience to go on about
"common sense" which a great man once said was neither common nor very
sensible.

In _your_ experience - can you see a pattern forming.


I think you're probably letting your inferiority complex show a bit.
You never went to university and you know other people did. You don't
have what it takes to talk yourself up (you make a big show out of
posting to Usenet on company time, which is pretty shameful) so you're
left with only one option: talk the others down.

Not so , and frankly you sound a tad Barkerish there . I suppose now
you are going to tell us about your education acheivements.



Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

This programme is a classic
example of those with superb standards of education and proven ability
sometime showing astonishing lack of commonsense.

Yes, well you're talking bollocks. You're supposed to think that,
however, so well done to your common sense that you were able to
swallow the crap the show is selling hook, line and sinker.

Ahh now we are getting to it - Alan is so intellectual he's rising
above us mere mortals and can see the real pisture. Even though you
are seemigly congenitally capable of missing the point.


They portray Alan Sugar as this self-made man who pulled himself up
blah de blah. As any fule kno, he'd be working a fucking market stall
today if it weren't for the very educated people he pretends to
denigrate: engineers, lawyers, MBAs, quantum physicists for all I
know. He's essentially a barra-boy who rose above his station because
-- and this goes against the portrayal he and the show want you to
swallow -- he knows exactly the extent to which he needs lawyers and
eggheads.

I've never talked up SAS , I'd like you to point out where I have .
Plus seeing as you are all knowing at the moment you'd have known that
SAS made most of his money in the 80's property boom.


Sophie had an unimpeachably good point about selling stuff you don't
believe is of any value, so she's obviously been taught absolutely
correctly. Maybe you're just so strong on this point because you know
you're selling tat yourself? I mean, it couldn't possibly be that
you're threatened by anyone who is clearly cleverer than you are,
could it?
I don't sell anything , I sell a service .

Right. So you agree with AMS that selling "solutions" means you have
no product? That'll be the common sense you so revere, will it?

Goodness knows what you are on about here - link me to where I
degenerated Sophies actual talent for marketing the thing she used to
sell. Point me as well to where I agreed with SAS .


Plus I've never dodged
VAT , I don't do "cash" it's all accounts only.

Ahem. Right.

Proof?


I'd point out that in last weeks face painting she showed she is
capable of being mercenary when it came to getting money off kids
parents. "when I see a kid I think kerching" I think she said.

There's a difference between face-painting and selling sugary crap. In
one case, the kid is getting value for money, because they're
delighted. In the other, they're getting ***-all. Her point was not
about selling per se, it was about selling worthless tat. Pay
attention.

I have an irony meter too Alan set for your posts and that last bit
scores very highly. You'd do better sitting quietly and actually
reading _and understanding_ whats said rather than just having a go at
me because you what to feel somehow superior.

It's only Usenet Alan remember.

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