Re: "I've been away...

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:35:52 +0100, Marjorie
<dontusethisaddress@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Robin Fairbairns wrote:
Marjorie <dontusethisaddress@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Linda Fox wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:40:47 +0100, David
<nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Linda Fox <linda.ff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:17:46 +0100, David
<nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That sounds like you're thinking of 'naught' - an alternative to
'nought' - but do you pronounce the diphthong, 'ou' or 'au', when you
say it?
Bububut Mr Marmite, sir, I do pronounce nought and naught and the
beginning of naughty exactly the same. As the vowel in the
Italian/Latin "gloria"
Good answer.

Now, just how is the vowel in the Italian/Latin "gloria" pronounced?
Listen to any Italian
But an Italian, faced with "naughty" would say it with a pure vowel that
would sound quite foreign to English ears. (Even if he didn't attempt to
pronounce all the letters).

but that doesn't arise if you're listening to the pronunciation of
"gloria".

No, but what I'm trying to get at is this: the Italian pronunciation of
"gloria" uses a vowel sound that is not natural to a native English
speaker (i.e. not the same as "naughty" or even the same as "glory" said
in an English accent).

But when I sing gloria I think I produce exactly the same vowel as I
use in naughty, or nought, or even normal. Or norman. Being the kind
of suvverner who doesn't sound the r, even though I lived in Somerset
for years - I'd call Norman Nawman. And when learning Italian, aren't
we often told that o sounds roughly like aw?

lff
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