Re: OT ask umra techies

"Btms" <linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>Kim Andrews wrote:
>> I went and had a look from here, using Firefox over ADSL and could see
>> all the links... eventually. It's a sad fact that most websites keep
>> or lose their visitors within less than a second of arrival -- and
>> this took over three minutes to load. Only people taking a look out of
>> umratic helpfulness are going to wait that long, I'm afraid. :o(

i think that depends on the nature of the website.

in fact, it didn't take anywhere as long for me as it did for you.
(i've 2mbit/s cable, but the probable reason is that some umrat's just
kindly loaded it all into ntl's cache).

>> I'd echo your advice about learning the basics of html -- it's really
>> not hard, as you say. Then just use front page as a drafting tool to
>> get the layout ideas in shape. When happy with the ideas... throw away
>> that version of the site and rewrite in clean html. It's not what
>> people want to hear, but it really is the best way. I'm not an
>> anti-M/soft evangelist, so this isn't one of those "burn the witch"
>> posts that FrontPage often evokes, honest!
>
> I can see the advantages of html - but
>through this system I guess I have discovered some basic concepts of
>what a web page design can offer. May have to do a knitting pattern
>course after all! I recognise the reasons that using FrontPage will
>extend the download times - what I really want to do is put one front
>end page up and then pull text into an internal frame via drop down
>menues.

front page isn't the only software to do the job. take a look at nvu
(http://www.nvu.com/index.html) which will probably do everything you
want, without paying billy goat a penny.

front page is rather notorious for its accretion of rubbish on the
pages it creates; this is in fact true of most m$ products (i was
investigating the word "save as web page" only yesterday -- the output
looks (to someone who knows html) amazingly bloated. if you use an
automatic generator, this is to some extent inevitable -- but word's
is something else.

oh, and don't even *think* of "turning people's java on" -- people who
switch java off will (usually) have done so for a very good reason,
and turning it off could well be viewed as analagous to unlocking
their front door and leaving it open, without telling them.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
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