Re: Well I never.......


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And I don't think the laws of physics change if I move to Mars or
any
where else.


I watched Horizon not so long ago and they explored this. They are
now
suggesting that the laws of physics are not all the seem to be
especially when you start to delve into quantumn physics ... it
was
really interesting but too much info .. most of which i cannot
remember
to list here. Part of it explored parallell universes (spelling ?)
and
this was when standard physics was thrown into doubt

"laws" imply order.


No they don't. There are laws relating to a randomness 

My experiences of creating randomness are that large numbers are
required - therefore your randomness is still within the constraints
of
your large number - not true randomness but random enough to give the
perception of truly random.

Please explain your laws relating to randomness.

Order is achieved through careful thought.  Careful
thought requires consciousness.  Consciousness is a requisite for
what
we call intelligence.


No it isn't. This tries to imply that order requires intelligence and
it
doesn't, look at ants!


What about ants?  That they achieve order through the release of
pheromones, therefore they are communicating on some basic level....
therefore there is an element of intelligence to what we see as their
very basic ability to create order.

You can achieve a non-conscious trance-like state and still be
intelligent.  Intelligence is inherent but I accept you have to be in
a
conscious state to utilise intelligence.


.... oh do keep up.  Consciousness is required.

If the universe can be governed by laws, science and logic would
have
us
believe that this is proof of a maker.

Worth consideration? 

Nope. Your last paragraph doesn't follow from your first and neither
is
it
logical or factual. Perhaps you meant that science and logic dictate
that
a "maker" exists as an "intelligence" must have been involved. Either
way
it doesn't follow.


Laws imply order.

If the universe can be governed by laws ........ etc

Yes they do. Try and read the entire post. 

I did, you successfully used a reductio ad absurdum argument which
defeated your own premise.


Translated:  all this has got a bit much for me... i'll bow out with a
witty put down.


Was it witty? I just used your argument to prove you wrong.

Stick with the simple stuff, eh..... there's a good fella. 

You really ought to find out with whom you are arguing before you get too
confident. To have a discussion on the theory of quantum mechanics without
mentioning Planck, Schrodingers Equation (except his cat lol) and
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle demonstrates how little you know of the
subject.
Still we are getting used to that.


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