Re: Well I never.......


""screaming" Mad Mike the ***" <diemens.quirito@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
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>>>>>>> "laws" imply order. Order is achieved through careful thought.
>>>>>>> Careful thought requires consciousness. Consciousness is a
>>>>>>> requisite for what we call intelligence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the universe can be governed by laws, science and logic would
>>>>>>> have us believe that this is proof of a maker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't follow your logic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> get a bag of marbles and throw them onto the floor. They are randomly
>>>>> strewn accross the floor. This is caused by a random event. An
>>>>> explosion perhaps. It has some beauthy... little geometry and is
>>>>> totally random.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now line them up using a law or rule that red ones go on the left and
>>>>> all other colours go on the right. You have applied a law. The
>>>>> marbles didn't do it. It was conceived by me and implemented by you.
>>>>>
>>>>> A "law" requires conscious thought.... a motive... a reason... a
>>>>> direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> If science proves that there are "laws" to the way the universe works,
>>>>> then surely that also proves that there is some kind of intelligence
>>>>> in the background to create and implement those laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its as plain as the nose on your face, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Now I see the flaw in your logic.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as a "law of science", merely theories which
>>>> appear to explain how the universe works, and which are modified,
>>>> changed or downright discarded as evidence leads one to challege the
>>>> so-called "law".
>>>>
>>>> MB (Did you know I'm actually a chartered scientist?)
>>>
>>> The theory is always backed up by a mathematical formula though...... a
>>> rule... and many of these formulas are unshakeable now. Law, rule,
>>> formula.... whatever you want to call it, it couldn't be plotted
>>> variable by variable if it was completely random. My argument holds.
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>
>> While the mathematics behind the theory may be impeccable, there is
>> nothing to actually prove that the theory is actually applicable to the
>> case in point.
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> Yes there is. E=mc2.
>
> If this mathematical formula didn't hold, lots of things wouldn't work
> properly for unexplained reasons.

Classic case in point - it's actually wrong.

Well, either it is, or quantum theory is. General relativity & quantum
theory, both of which supposedly underpin the working of the universe are
mutually exclusive. Although both are generally accepted to be true, and for
all practical purposes they work well enough, one is wrong. Opinion is
varied as to which one.



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