Re: I was put off the bus today!
- From: JpinNY <jpinny@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:16:04 -0400
Keith Cunningham wrote:
"Sleepalot" <sleepalot07@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:6apjc5lrdc5ivdthd4h1paip8g3diriuho@xxxxxxxxxxWooooowee. I'm surprised that you're allowed to take paint home in the boot of a vehicle powered by an internal combustion engine!!"Keith Cunningham" <keithctwo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Sleepalot" <sleepalot07@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in messageYep, I think the H&S is an excuse, and it's more a case of
"Keith Cunningham" <keithctwo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:No. It just says that the paint contains 0.29% volatile organic contents. I
I didn't get past the driver because I was carrying a 5 litre tin of vinylIs there a hazard warning label on the tin?
emulsion! I thought it was a bit odd until I looked at
think they're worried about the lid coming off accidentally, which is a bit
odd considering the number of spoons I usually bend when I'm trying to open
"Their bus, their rules".
That seems to be it. I got this reply from the company:-
Thank you for your email.
I have spoken with our Operations Director to obtain complete clarification
regarding the carriage of paint . He responds as follows:
"Regrettably, paint is potentially hazardous and therefore falls foul of
regulations for five reasons 1) If spilled it will make the platform very
slippy putting at risk the safety of customers 2) If spilled will disrupt
services as the bus will have to be withdrawn and replaced 3) If spilled
will put at risk property, clothing and could damage the bus flooring and
moquette 4) The paint if spilled may give off strong fumes 5) The paint may
However, if the paint isn't flammable, water based for example, and that
the tin or container is contained within a bund, and that the paint
container is a reasonable size, not 5 litres for example, a hold all or
similar and may contain any spillage - this may then be permissible.
However the final decision will rest with the driver who has the legal
responsibility in terms of who and what is conveyed. So the circumstances
at the time very much determine whether paint is carried as there is a big
difference between a small can of water based gloss and 5 litres of mat
silk. In general it is advisable to avoid carrying such substances on buses
as spillages can create many problems.
In terms of our regulations, we would refer to page 23 of our conditions of
carriage, which states;
(a) Without prejudice to the provisions of this Condition luggage
accompanying passengers is carried at the absolute discretion of the
conductor of the vehicle upon which it is proposed that the luggage should
(b) Luggage accompanying passengers shall be carried in the place and
manner directed by the conductor and (without limitation) must not obstruct
any gangway in any vehicle, nor must it be placed on any seating space.
(c) The following items shall not be carried by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(i) Explosive or combustible material of any type whatsoever;
(ii) (Without prejudice to (i) above) any article or substance which
would be reasonably expected to constitute a risk of injury to any person
on the vehicle or a risk of damage to the property of an person on the
vehicle or to the vehicle;
(iii) Any article of substance which causes or is likely to cause
annoyance to any person on the vehicle;
(iv) Bicycles, perambulators.
(v) Any individual item of luggage (excepting suitcases) weighing in
excess of 28lb.
(d) Accumulators and other types of lead/acid battery shall not be carried
unless securely sealed and shall at all times be carried on the floor of
Whilst I understand this ruling may have caused some inconvenience, I hope
you can appreciate the reasons behind the ruling.
Thank you for contacting xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,"
Accordion players beware of rule c(v), and I am pleased to see that under rule c(i) bodhrans and banjos should be prohibited. Saxophones less than 28lb seem to be acceptable but the reeds are made of combustible material so would not be allowed.
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