Re: Islaam

The Todal wrote:
Theodore wrote:
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:08:50 +0100, "The Todal"
<deadmailbox@xxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Theodore" <theodoredicehi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 12 Aug 2010 11:49:50 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Theodore <theodoredicehi@xxxxxxxxx> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Prejudiced against ignorant, fat, ugly chavvy people? Damn
right. The fact they happen to be white is irrelevant. It's
just that people like you see the skin colour as being more
important than the behaviour.

So presumably you have no objection to people showing prejudice
against Muslims then? Or are you a hypocrite?

So what aspect of the behaviour of "Muslims" is it that causes
this prejudice?

Who knows, perhaps a hatred for what they consider an evil
religion?

So nothing to do with the individuals, then?

Yes of course, but if a person has a set of beliefs that you find
offensive and dangerous, can you not hate people who follow those
beliefs?

Yes, of course. I can hate Adolf Hitler and I daresay most people do
(or did). But what good does it do? When he was alive, the
knowledge that people hated him didn't affect his determination to
follow his plans. After his death, hatred of him accomplishes
nothing.

There aren't many people I hate at the moment but I think one would
be Tony Blair.

I can't hate a whole collection of people, whether it be "the chavs"
or "the muslims" or "the Americans" because rationally I know that
each person has his own individual life experience and beliefs and
hating a whole class of people is just foolish and immature. Or have
I got that wrong?

Yes everybody has their own specific beliefs, but if a group have a
particular set of beliefs I consider dangerous or offensive, why
isn't it perfectly acceptable for me to hate them all? What's changed
between one person having a belief I hate and a group?

Only because hatred directed at a group is inaccurate and futile. You
would have to question each member of the group before being
satisfied that they deserved your hatred.

Even the Nazis don't deserve our hatred. Yes, the ideology of the Nazi
movement is largely evil. But as individuals the party members
included a lot of young impresssionable people who succumbed to peer
pressure and believed the propaganda with which they were fed, plus
quite a number of honourable soldiers who disliked the summary
executions and the extermination of the jews and tried not to take
part, and people who were only obeying orders because failure to do
so would have entailed being imprisoned or shot.

The vast majority of people want to live a peaceful life, working for
money, buying their bread and their beer, taking care of their kids,
getting on well with their neighbours. They have no more control
over the actions of their political and religious leaders than you or
I. They cannot be expected to declare in public that they repudiate
the principles of Nazism, or Islam, or Communism, or Baathism. They
really just want a quiet life, and if joining a party or religion
gives them a better job and better promotion prospects, only the very
brave or foolhardy would resist doing so. In the case of Muslims, the
vast majority are born into it, rather than making a conscious
decision to join.

Absolutely - and throughout their childhood they are brainwashed into believing that everything in the Quaran is fact - and that every other religion is evil.

It is child abuse - and *all* religious indoctrination of children should be outlawed.

--
Kev

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