Re: UK Shoplifting laws

The Todal wrote:
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The Todal wrote:
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peterwn wrote:
On Mar 27, 11:39 am, "Norman Wells" <no-...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
LJD wrote:
Hi Everyone. I was wondering if anyone could offer me some help
please. I have applied for the LLB at Uni and i need to complete an
essay which is part of my 'interview'. Any advice would be welcome
!! I have to write 1000 words ......
The idea of any selection process is to select the best candidates.
How does asking us make you one of those?
By putting the person on a par with those whose dads, aunts etc are
lawyers.

If you cannot answer the question on
your own, you should seriously consider whether you're fitted for
the course you want to take.
Unfair comment with respect to a kid still at school.
Not so. If dads, aunts, lawyers, newsgroups or anyone other than the candidate answers the questions, it's fraudulent, and the selection process has no validity.
And if he asks his teacher at school? Fraudulent? And if he asks other student lawyers? Fraudulent too?
If he repeated what he was said word for word, then surely it is!

It isn't clear, actually, whether he has to write the essay from the comfort of his own home or in exam conditions at the interview. But either way, the purpose of writing an essay is to show that you have an intelligent grasp of the arguments for and against. Anyone who hopes to get top marks by saying "the answer is: necessity" is going to fail badly. Teachers and fellow pupils and friends are only going to be able to express ideas and give pointers, not write a well-crafted essay for you.

What bollocks. Part of the process of studying is to discuss and to learn from each other rather than just from your books. Here, of course, the advice he gets might be wildly inaccurate. So far, though, nobody has offered to write the essay for him. The post from Peterwn seems very perceptive.
Todal, no lawyer has to operate entirely from memory - he has a library of law books at his fingertips and can make swathes of notes to carry around with him. Why then when you take the exams, do you have to sit and recall so much from memory, even when you would not have to once you qualify and start practicing?

Good question, which no doubt applies to many exams. If you want to be a doctor surely you should be allowed to consult the medical textbooks during the exams. But textbooks are huge, and one could waste a lot of time with them, and besides any sensible examiner would devise questions which require lateral thinking and for which the answers would not be found easily in any one chapter.

Remembering precedents is similar to learning by rote...the precedents and laws are the tools which are needed to think laterally in this case.


The sort of stuff you keep in your memory should be the basics that you would need in real life.

Are there any 'basics' in English law? In the US, you can remember the basics of the Constitution and work from there on the specifics. In English law the constitution is found continually, in many places, which is why it is necessary to have a good memory.

If someone asks a lawyer "my neighbour has broken my fence, what should I do?" the lawyer shouldn't be in the position of saying "no idea, but let me look it up under boundaries, trespass, conveyancing and criminal damage and I'll have an answer for you in a few days".

Fair comment (though that's what some of them do!) I have had some very bad, even incorrect, advice from solicitors who were pulling things from the top of their heads.

If someone asks a doctor "I have a pain in my abdomen, do you think I need to go to hospital to get it checked out" he should expect some sensible questions rather than "let me look it up and see what possible medical conditions it could be".

I am actually more confident in a doctor that does look it up, if nothing else but to ensure that he has not forgotten something, or missed some new development. I had a doctor who was like this, and he was the best doctor I ever had because he was thorough. I have also had a doctor who I have requested a repeat prescription of a common drug and he had never heard of it and had to look it up!
People can become very narrow in their thinking, and lazy.
But, yes, I expect him to remember the basics.
I daresay medicine is an easier subject to learn than law from the point of view of learning the basics, because the basics are generally well defined. Some stuff I was learning I really struggled to understand the reasoning. Understanding something requires acceptance of it - I have an odd brain that does not accept things it does not understand (but keeps looking for understanding)

You are correct about the learning process, but unless things have changed, it just doesn't work like that, and I am one person who suffered because of not understanding that before I started.
If someone is not prepared to do their research and reading before starting, I would suggest they don't start or they might find it a very hard slog and run up a large loan for nothing.

I'm still not quite sure why you didn't persevere. You may have been to quick to give up.

I couldn't handle the European Law which was compulsory - first year I got distinction (in the basics), second year I went to the EU law exam and froze, ran out of the room crying and never went back. I tried to sit the Tort exam and just went blank. I couldn't remember a damn thing.
So I gave up. After I gave up, I realised that the amount of reading I had had to do, combined with my very poor memory, and trying to bring up three young children virtually alone, was just too much.
Yes I regret it, but I never had nearly as much trouble with science exams - the facts were simply easy to remember because they were proper facts, perhaps!
I've always been rubbish at exams at any higher level (2nd year of degree level obviously!) I'm simply not up to it, and that is quite hard to accept.
.

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