Re: Child-sex pervert killed by vigilantes

On Dec 13, 9:55 pm, "Mr X" <inva...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Dec 13, 9:12 pm, "Mr X" <inva...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[I propose, that law be based on, reducing, strongly-evidenced, or
proven (in the scientific sense), serious harm.]
Though of course you can never 'prove' anything in science.  You can only
rebut the null hypothesis.
Even so.  If we are looking at child sex the consequences seem to be
psychological.  As you yourself state it is difficult to be certain of the
aeitology of any mental disorder.  So how could you be certain, though such
a rigid test, that the disorder was caused by the abuse?
I assume you are against the rape of children but believe they can give
consent from an earlier age than is currently in law?  If so, how can you be
sure that a child is consenting and has not been manipulated by an adult?  I
can accept that there will be circumstances were the child did indeed
consent and no harm was done.

[You are incorrect. It was the work of Mayhew etc, who observed and
reported these practices and lifestyles and instigated 'the purge'.]
Are you sure?  I thought the purge was a cure for any insanity.  Did you
know that Broadmoor used to have a garden to grow the rhubarb for it?

[No, we are synthesising problems, based on weak, evidential
foundations, because we have little, real threat,  to worry about.
'CSA/CA' is a prime example, because it is fashionable and valuable to
them, but there are many more, used by The Man.]
I could believe this applied to, say, terrorism.  However, there seems to be
a good body of evidence supporting the idea that child abuse can be harmful.
You disagree, I know, but plenty don't.  I suppose it could be a case of the
flat earthers, though.  Why would The Man pick on child abuse, though?
Doesn't it reflect some innate feeling in humans that the abuse of children
by adults is wrong?  In the same way that killing is wrong?

[for mania in the 1930s was a continuous bath!]]

... and did it work?]
I don't think so.  Mania is often self limiting anyway.

[.. .and what does cause it?
..  or bipolar?
... or monopolar?]
Like many things a combination of factors.  Bipolar is thought to be mostly
inherited, although the exact genes are as yet uncertain.  Schizophrenia a
combination of genetic factors, life events, I suppose.  In a way not better
than the idea of mental exhaustion.

[You speak only of speculative treatment, not an understanding (and
certainly not knowledge) of the underlying aetiology .]
But an effective treatment can often give clues to the disease process.

[[I propose, that law be based on, reducing, strongly-evidenced, or
proven (in the scientific sense), serious harm.]
Though of course you can never 'prove' anything in science. You can
only
rebut the null hypothesis.]]

This is a common misunderstanding about science.

What you are recalling, is part the scientific method.

Science has proven that metals are made of atoms. They have been
observed, following, previous, 'incorrect' theories.

You see, both are possible (so it is in many other areas of the
sciences).

[Even so.]

It is not so.

[[If we are looking at child sex the consequences seem to be
psychological. ]]

No, I do not accept your proposition. The 'consequences' are not
'proven' as being due to the 'sex'.

The claims are predominantly in the psyche region, yes.

[As you yourself state it is difficult to be certain of the
aeitology of any mental disorder. So how could you be certain, though
such
a rigid test, that the disorder was caused by the abuse?]

We cannot yet. If we could, we would not be having this discussion. We
can only use descriptive and inferential stats, at this time.

[I assume you are against the rape of children but believe they can
give
consent from an earlier age than is currently in law?]

Younger children do not need to give consent to anything, they are
below the age of consent.

'Against the rape'? What do you mean, before I can answer?

[If so, how can you be sure that a child is consenting and has not
been manipulated by an adult?]

See above. Manipulation of minors is what adults do, everyday. The
question is, whether it does serious harm or not?

[I can accept that there will be circumstances were the child did
indeed
consent and no harm was done.]

Noted.

[[You are incorrect. It was the work of Mayhew etc, who observed and
reported these practices and lifestyles and instigated 'the purge'.]
Are you sure? I thought the purge was a cure for any insanity. Did
you
know that Broadmoor used to have a garden to grow the rhubarb for
it?]]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fcYq72qYRTcC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq=Henry+mayhew+Sex&source=web&ots=hY26WXLkU7&sig=RtjvSKtW9-dnWMhzKotS34r2MuU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA292,M1

[[No, we are synthesising problems, based on weak, evidential
foundations, because we have little, real threat, to worry about.
'CSA/CA' is a prime example, because it is fashionable and valuable to
them, but there are many more, used by The Man.]
I could believe this applied to, say, terrorism.]

Indeed, there's another.

[However, there seems to bea good body of evidence supporting the idea
that child abuse can be harmful.]

CAN and not shown to be THE CAUSE. How come, so many (the majority) do
not report any negative effects (I do have the most likely reason, for
this ;) )?

[You disagree, I know, but plenty don't.]

No matter to me.

[I suppose it could be a case of the flat earthers, though. Why would
The Man pick on child abuse, though?]

Because, it has been in fashion (or has been for some decades). It is
also a tool, that all political persuasions, can draw upon, for
different reasons.

It is always an irony, to me, that I have many Radical Feminists 'on
my side'.

[Doesn't it reflect some innate feeling in humans that the abuse of
children
by adults is wrong? In the same way that killing is wrong?]

OF COURSE IT DOES ... that is why it is so powerful and useful, in
certain places, presented in certain ways. The question is, whether it
does serious harm or not?

You know I do not do 'right' or 'wrong'.

[[.. .and what does cause it?
... or bipolar?
.... or monopolar?]
Like many things a combination of factors. Bipolar is thought to be
mostly
inherited, although the exact genes are as yet uncertain.
Schizophrenia a
combination of genetic factors, life events, I suppose. In a way not
better
than the idea of mental exhaustion.]]

So, you do not 'know' then?

I am a 'clinical depressive.' I know how it feels, I know what they
think, about it, but I do not know what is 'wrong ' with me.

Perhaps nothing is 'wrong'.

[[You speak only of speculative treatment, not an understanding (and
certainly not knowledge) of the underlying aetiology .]
But an effective treatment can often give clues to the disease
process. ]]

One would hope so, but that is not correct way around (theoretically)
in science.

WM
.

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