Re: Police can be ordered to kill

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:54:39 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:07:46 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:38:25 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:40:39 +0000, Alang <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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While firearms officers are still legally allowed to make a judgment
to shoot to kill on their own, Savill said his aim was to put the
decision in the hands of tactical commanders and diminish as far as
possible the chance of on-the-ground officers having to decide on
their own. There had been "dramatic" improvements in the training and
deployment of surveillance officers, who now worked in one command, he
said."

Surely this guy Saville has consulted with legal advisers?

IANAL but the above sound highly illegal to me. Had it been meant
that the commander would be responsible for giving *authorisation* to
kill, it would be OK. But the first sentence rules out the
possibility of interpreting it that way.

IMO it is extremely dangerous for the decision to kill to be made by a
person who is not on the scene, and who is relying at best on
second-hand information.

It's what everyone wanted, isn't it?

Who wanted it?

AFAIK the law is quite explicit. You can only take a life if you
personally believe there is an immediate threat of death or serious
injury to yourself or a third party. No one else is allowed to decide
that for you.

The decision taken out of the hands of
the officers on the ground.... it's just a shame that they can't patch
SO10
through to this newsgroup, everyone here knows exactly how to deal with
every situation a Police Officer faces, without actually being there.

If all reports are to be believed the police often don't actually know
how to deal with situations.

To be fair, we only hear about the situations that go wrong. I'm not
diminishing the seriousness of what happens when it *does* go wrong, but
even you have to admit such cases are a microscopic proportion of the
actual
incidents firearms officers attend across the UK every day.

Like the one in the police helicopter who threatened to shoot the
farmer in the middle of his own field because he had a shotgun?

And you're still missing the point. What proportion of firearms callouts do
you think your anecdotes represent?

Too many.


If you used the same ludicrously tiny ratio of bad:good incidents to label
an ethnic minority, you'd be strung up.

Ethnic minorities do not have the legal power to point a gun at
someone and threaten to shoot them.
.

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