Re: Pupils to pay for illegal parking


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Norman Wells wrote:
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> I'm puzzled by your statement that I was 'wound up' about it, when
> I've been at pains to point out that I wasn't prepared to let it
> bother me.

Then why use such intemperate and unmoderated language? It's usually
a very direct indicator of someone under stress. You are clearly
capable of using English properly, but you didn't. Why not?

Ummm, look around you. This is uk.legal. Are you familiar with the
expression "when in Rome..."? Its *completely* irrelevant what language
I use here to relate the situation.

But it's not irrelevant what language you said you used to your son. Using terms like 'power-crazed halfwit' and 'twat' in connection with a teacher is designed to undermine the teacher's authority in your child's eyes. And that's utterly reprehensible.

> I do work with them, on a regular basis. I often need to work with
> the special needs staff of local schools and attend regular
> meetings due to the level of young people we look after. You are
> projecting an incident in which I refused to buckle to the schools
> will into a demeanour where I will not co-operate with schools full
> stop.

Isn't that understandable given the way in which you chose to express
yourself?

Well, honestly? No, I dont think it is. Many people have problems
expressing themselves adequately for a wide variety of reasons, only
one of which is a poor command of English and/or a limited vocabulary.
Why would you, as a supposedly reasonable person, imagine it
appropriate to make pretty wild assumptions about someones values based
purely on a single incident, no matter how colourfully told?

Because, since then, in your 'paraphrase' of what you said, you made it clear that you in fact have a very good command of the English language, and can choose the language you use to express exactly what you mean. If you use intemperate language therefore, it's reasonable to assume that you are feeling pretty intemperate.


>
> If he's filled with the contempt you instill in him he won't
> > learn. If he's filled with the same anger, he won't concentrate.
> > If he's filled with the same rejection of authority, he won't
> > behave. And if he won't do any of those things, he's going to be
> > a liability to society and himself.
> >
> Why should he have my contempt? I smoke (well until quite recently I
> did) but I dont permit him to. I drive a car, but he isn't allowed
> to. Just because I treat his headmaster with contempt does not
> permit him to. He is, however, permitted to extract himself from a
> situation of confrontation with his head, as evidenced by "ignore
> the twat and walk".

As well as presumably regarding him as a 'power-crazed halfwit' as
you called him.

If that's not encouraging him to treat the head with contempt I don't
know what is.

> Sorry, but that isn't the same thing.

Sorry, but actually it is.

We'll have to disagree on that. I think respect is an earned rather
than learned value. The head demonstrated to my son that he was
unworthy of it at that time

Oh, and how did he do that exactly? By giving your son a detention for a misdemeanour even you admit he committed?

and while my son should reserve the right
to change his mind over time, at least at that moment he was rightly
entitled to treat the head with a degree of scepticism.

He should nevertheless respect the authority that the head has, and you should not be undermining it.

So you say, now. But it sounds like one of your marvellous
paraphrases to me.

For the love of God, WHY?!? What part of my description left room for
you to make false assumptions? I thought I'd been reasonably
descriptive of a very, very simple scenario. I'll paraphrase it again,
and this time if you think that paraphrasing is somehow
unrepresentative then please be so kind as to point out exactly where
and what comment of mine leads you to believe it so, okay?
Infraction occurred. Penalty questioned by parent. Penalty rejected by
parent. Continued rejection of penalty through subsequent phone
conversations. School withdrew penalty.

Very reasonable. Very level-headed. Very respectful. Very constructive. Adult even.

A pity you had to spoil it all by calling the head a 'power-crazed halfwit' and a 'twat' to your son. A responsible adult wouldn't have done that.


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