Re: Ronald Castree/ Lesley Molseed case/ Is the jury rigged?

On Nov 11, 1:33 am, "Janitor of Lunacy" <gh...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Noel O'Gara" <noelog...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Oct 22, 6:16 pm, "Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post
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Thej uryof six men and six women will be
sworn in at Bradford Crown Court on Tuesday.

Three other people have been selected as spare jurors.

The judge, Mr Justice Openshaw, asked the 15 members of the jury panel if
any of them had any connection to Mr Kiszko or his family.

An observer at the trial of Castree last week reported that the jury
cannot be seen or even counted from the public gallery because they
are hidden from view behind smoked glass.
So much for justice to be seen to be done in public but what I would
like to know is could those three spare jurors be used to replace
three dissenters from the group of twelve or have they been discharged
from the case now that all the closing speeches have taken place.
Neither the prisoner nor the jury can be seen from the public gallery
of only12 seats in a confined alcove of one corner of the courtroom
and the public cannot get into the main court room and only the front
four seats there can barely see the head of the judge and a standing
lawyer.
The Bradford courtroom design, unlike the London courts or most
peoples idea of what a courtroom should be, has been designed to keep
the public totally in the dark.
There is therefore a jury of fifteen who heard the evidence and if
three doubters dont find the evidence compelling enough to convict,
could we have a situation where bent judge Openshaw could play his
three card trick on the public with a rigged jury of twelve that
nobody can verify or see having dismissed the doubters.
Not alone is Castree in the dock here but British justice is on trial.

Stop being paranoid. There is NOT a jury of fifteen who have heard the case,
there is a jury of twelve, with three alternate members (as is common in the
USA) should any of the initial 12 have fallen ill or otherwise been unable
to perform their duties during the trial. It's somewhat irrelevant now since
the empanelled jury (of 12) has now been sent out, and presumably the 3
spares sent home as they are no longer required. So the judge is stuck (as
are you) with that 12, not 15.

You seem to have as good a grasp of the English legal system as Holland &
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I have very good reasons not to trust British judges and the fact that
the jury is hidden from view surely raises the question of the public
access to the courts and a fair trial etc. The fifteen jurors heard
the case in full.
You presume a lot my friend but perhaps thats why those bent judges
get away with their stitch ups because the British public presume they
are honest and squeaky clean when they are rotten to the core.
The public cant even count the jurors and when the case is over those
jurors will go home and be unaccessible and unknown to each other and
to all.
How can you be so sure that the three spares are out of the picture
completely?

As for my grasp of the British judicial system I got a pretty good
lesson in it when I was deprived of all my rights and locked up for
two weeks by a corrupt judge because I took a picture of a cop who
refused to identify himself to me in the hall of the court. I saw it
from the inside and had it been two years or twenty years it would
have been no different to the Birmingham 6 etc etc and it is happening
every day throughout the UK. When in Armley jail I met lots of
prisoners who had been stitched up by lying cops and bent judges but
they have no voice and thats why I am saying it here.
My mate Patrick Cullinane got four months for recording the true facts
that would have exposed that corruption.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/columnists/article2734301.ece


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