Re: Sex Discrimination

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22- We offered the chance that she get MSc and then start PhD in another field with another supervisor. No reply was given yet (supervisor original suggestion to student was this as he suggested that the project can not reach to any good result in suitable time).



Can you suggest what we can do?
The project she is working on is dead. Face it. Move on.

If she has been offered another PhD research studentship with another supervisor, then that is a very generous offer. Grab it, if she still wants a PhD. Many, many people take seven or more years to get one..




Is there any similar case in legal history?
Countless research projects end "prematurely" each year. Even where the research results look promising, the project may not get funding and will thus get killed off. In this case, it looks like the research was getting nowhere, fast.

Only a very lucky few of the research students get offered a second chance like she apparently has.

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The point here is that we are paying for her study and no studentship or such was offered or promised.
The new PhD is also funded by us.

If the project is dead, it is not her responsibility. WE are ok with it, and we are ok for changing it. The problem is they tell finish your study. You can make money but not time and your self esteem. If you loose your time and self esteem, they are gone.

Unfunded PhDs and "shaky" projects go together. Strong research projects tend to get the funding (and the most able students...and most able staff...)

The offer of an MSc sounds to be more than fair. It will give something concrete in return for the time and effort (and fees paid).

I don't see where self esteem comes into question. The project is dead. Tough. Almost certainly she gets no blame for that and non one will think less highly of her because of it. Projects are often killed off.

If it is a funded PhD, the organisation providing the funding takes the risk. Unfunded PhDs are even more risky...

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Sue







Where is the fair trade come into account?

She paid university and worked to get PhD. project didn't go well, not her fault. Doesn't university obliged to offer what they promised?





It is similar that you go to a shop and buy a 32 inch TV, later you find that it is faulty. The shop tells you that you need to accept a 21 inch TV as they can not supply you 32 inch TVs. What do you do?



You make a contract with University to get PhD. You paid for it. The project is dead not your fault. The university tells you accept MSc. But your contact is for PhD you don't need MSc.

The problem is that there is no university near us that work on similar field and if she wanted to continue study, she should go to another city and since it is impossible for her. This decision means No PhD for her.




I think that you will find that she has paid fees for being enrolled as a student. Unfortunately many such students never get a PhD, for one reason or another. Many (most?) that do find that they have taken longer than they anticipated. Research is, by its very nature, unpredicatable.

A PhD isn't a reward for attendance - it is in recognition of original work of a high standard. A tad unfortunate if the research topic is a dead end - but some of the best theses I have read were a reasoned examination of why something didn't work..

I thought that they had offered to accept her on a different project with a different supervisor?


Incidently, IME, supervisor(s) can be from an entirely different university. There need not be anyone with that depth of expertise, in the research topic, present at the university. If her studies to date have resulted in publications - then she should be known to those that matter. One of those may agree to supervise her research..I have supervised students at universities hundreds of miles from my own - seeing some of them as little as every few months or so, for the odd hour or two.





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