Re: The Media the Police and the Law


Jumbo's Chippy wrote:
What is all this woddle about?

"The police genuinely laugh at speed limits, as do ex-police now on
civillian jobs such as Speed Camera duties. They break the law with
imputinty."
- So when a vehicle is flashed, do you honestly believe that the person
printing out the stills and putting together the speeding ticket checks if
it is a copper or ex-copper who owns ths vehicle and bins the ticket if so?
I didn't realise when you did a vehicle check on the Police National
Computer it came up with a marker stating "owned by a copper" on it.
Likewise, I think you should reexamine your facts here. The majority of
civilian staff (well in my force) have never been a police officer.

Fascinating.
1) FACT - The boss of the Kent & Medway Cash-Camerascam Partnership is
on record admitting that they can cancel tickets BEFORE they go to
court. Who do they do it for ???? You better ask him.

2) FACT -On the rare occasions that a police officer will go out with a
hand held device and buzz the local traffic, ex-police and police
phone-up and say Sarge, you buzzed me this morning, just cancel it
would you - and they do.

3) FACT - Local police are warned on the radios where mobile cameras
and guys holding hairdryers are operating.

4) FACT - The local camera partnership vans are mostly operated by
ex-policeman. (Usually the ones with no friends). fFive have been
caught speeding in the very areas they claim are the most dangerous by
hidden video filming of them. They also illegally access motorway
emergency gates, even though they have no business operating on the
motorways, they take them as short cuts distracting the traffic on the
carriageway - they were ordered to stop doing it by their boss, but as
ex-police officers, they still believe that rules are for mugs - not
for them. So they put two fingers up to their boss, two fingers up to
the public and two fingers up to road safety.

> "A former Kent Police chief had a game he used to like playing in
his
unmarked car. On speeding through London he would be told by his driver,
that they were being pursued by a Met police car. So the Chief would tell
his driver "lose them"."
- Are there any facts surrounding this? If so, I can see why he is indeed a
FORMER Chief.

Well, actually yes, he then went on to become a Commisioner of the
Metropolitan Police. That really taught him a lesson !!

Please remember folks, not everyone lives in an ideal bubble where
they
never have to call the police out. Why don't you see if you can pop down to
your local station and spend a day with a copper to actually see why they do
indeed need to travel at high speeds to get to jobs? In fact, why don't you
work in the control room and answer the calls from women being battered by
their partners as they remain on the phone to the police operator; listening
to them screaming and pleading for urgent help.

FACT 5 I regualry have had to call the force, but only to incidents
where there is a danger to the public, and the service has greatly
declined. In fact, the local police describe the police control room
at HQ as a white elphant. It's the blind leading the blind. Geordie
policemen in a car, being guided to an incident in a town in the south
of England that the radio operator has never visited. "Can you get
down to the Cathedral 5-4". "Ooh I divint knare weer it is like".
"Well don't ask me, I've never been there". (All the more frustrating
when they get a violent domestic only to discover it was a policemans
wife doing the screaming).

FACT 6 As to the speed of getting to jobs, according to several of the
civilians manning the radios, (people like yourself perhaps), there are
insufficient units on the ground to cope with the emergencies coming
in. This means that cars are travelling over longer distances and at
higher speeds to try and catch up with the workloads. Kent Police have
killed and injured so many members of the public, that a ban has had to
be put on high speed pursuit. What is the point of chasing an idiot
doing a ton through a populated area, if there's not a chance in hell
of getting another vehicle to rendezvous. All you can do is hope that
his fuel runs out before he crashes. And crashing is the likely
outcome. Far better that you let him get away then, bringing his speed
down, than kill someone; and maybe hope that next time you have got a
bit of back up. Maybe it would help you to become a real policeman to
understand that.

I agree, there may be coppers out there who abuse the blues-and-twos system,
however I strongly feel it is unfair to state that all do.

FACT 7 With or without blues and twos, unjustified speeding by police
is endemic. I have been out with many officers on patrol, and I can
tell you only the odd one observes the rules. They mostly speed, the
mostly use radio equipment endangering the public, yet ......
ironically, the ones that are most prone to illegal behaviour
themselves, are always the ones who mouth off about the public doing
it. They see that freedom to break the law is a perk of the job.
You're right though .... it certainly isn't all of them. The road
safety group I'm affiliated with put a time lapse video recorder on a
roundabout 400 yards from a police station. Of 27 non-emergency police
vehicles using the roundabout in a 24 hour period, only 5 used
indicators, compared with about 76% of the public. What does that tell
you - it tells me that we shouldn't have got rid of traffic cops, who
used to police the coppers and the public.

Finally:
If I could widen these points to say that whenever you place people in
positions of authority, it can have an extremely potent influence on
the behaviour of the person. There are good and bad coppers, and just
because they may break motoring law, doesn't mean that overall they're
not a good copper. The reason the police have to re-examine they're
attitudes, is that the public have never befor been under such scrutiny
by a government who seem intent on punishing people. It's therefore
hardy surprising that the public may at times turn on their accusers
and point areas where there is BLATANT hypocrisy.

Turk182

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