Re: 34,000 a year killed by hospital blunders.
- From: "Uno Hoo!" <kevlunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:44:19 -0000
"AlanG" <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:18:37 -0000, "Uno Hoo!"
> <kevlunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>>"AlanG" <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:51:12 -0000, "Uno Hoo!"
>>> <kevlunn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>"AlanG" <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:51:06 -0000, "The Todal" <deadmailbox@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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>
>>>>> The difference is of course what happens afterwards. A doctor
>>>>> mistakenly giving a fatal dose will almost certainly be facing a
>>>>> criminal charge. A recent case of a doctor doing just that shows it is
>>>>> true. Now tell us when the killers of Harry Stanley are going to
>>>>> answer to a court.
>>>>
>>>>According to the report there have been a reported total of 2,081
>>>>mistaken
>>>>deaths in the NHS in 12 months. The report says that many mistaken
>>>>deaths
>>>>are not reported and they estimate the *actual* number of mistaken
>>>>deaths
>>>>at
>>>>34,000. Are you telling me that every one of the NHS staff responsible
>>>>for
>>>>the errors that killed that many people are answering for their actions
>>>>in
>>>>a
>>>>court of law? I think not.
>>>>
>>> What are mistaken deaths?
>>> A doctor not recognising a symptom? Not prescribing a better drug?
>>> Hardly a basis for prosecution.
>>>
>>> I know doctors and surgeons have been prosecuted where patients have
>>> died because they made an error that 'should' have been avoided. I am
>>> still waiting to see the killers of Harry Stanley face a court.
>>
>>
>>You really are a scream Alan! Talk about double standards!
>>The NAO report makes it clear that they are not talking about 'deaths in
>>hospitals' - but rather 'avoidable deaths in hospitals' - ie , deaths
>>caused
>>by negligence, incompetence, simple mistakes - and even by murder.
>
> Are you saying that NHS staff have been murdering patients and the
> deaths have not been investigated?
I am saying that there are many deaths that occur within the NHS that have
been caused by accidental overdoses, misdiagnoses, etc - and which have
never been reported and never come to light.
>
>>The number of these avoidable deaths actually reported over a 12 month
>>period is 2,081 !!!! The NAO claims that there is massive under-reporting
>>and the actual number of avoidable deaths is probably nearer 34,000.
>
> All unquantifiable
Even if only a fraction are regarded as truly avoidable and caused by
mistake, negligence, etc - this is still a much higher figure than police
killings. And STILL you will not condemn them!
>>
>>Despite this horrendous figure, all you do is hunt around for excuses and
>>justification. Contrast this with your approach to a mere handful of
>>mistaken police shootings over a period of years, where you go in like an
>>attack dog - snarling and salivating over the prospect of criticising the
>>boys in blue. It stinks to high heaven.
>
> You imbue me with your own characteristics.
> On this particular subject I have only ever called for the police who
> shoot innocents unarmed and no danger to anyone to face a court of law
> the same as anyone else. I have over time also posted a number of
> links to cases of other professions causing death who have faced
> court. You choose to ignore those examples in your war against justice
> and law.
It is *not* the fault of the police that these shootings are not put before
the courts. Are you aware of any criticisms that investigations into these
shootings have ever been anything other than thorough?
>
> If anything stinks to high heaven it is a corrupt home office, police
> force and their apologists who destroy our system of justice. And one
> of the biggest smells is coming from your direction
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You still seek to condemn a handful of accidental
shootings over a period of years - and fail to condemn numerous killings
over a period of months.
>
>>
>>Of course, the NHS is warm and cuddly isn't it? Staffed by sexy nurses and
>>wise, caring doctors?
>
> If you believe that then you are even stupider than I imagined.
> The NHS is staffed by humans. They make errors and in some cases have
> to answer for those errors in court
And quite clearly - do not have to answer for most of those errors at all.
>
>> Whereas the police are seen by a minority (like
>>yourself) as the enemy - the hated figures of authority who have the
>>temerity to tell people what to do.
>
> I see a corrupt out of control organisation bent wholly on protecting
> itself and extending it's powers without any thought of how it is
> destroying our way of life.
Exactly - a ludicrous and paranoid perversion of the actual reality.
>
>>
>>That is why you are so two-faced about these different sets of figures. It
>
> You attempt to conflate two unlike circumstances.
Not at all. They are virtually identical. Two public services - both doing
an extremely difficult job whilst under-resourced and both occasionally
making human errors. Although it would appear that the errors made by the
NHS are dramatically more numerous than those made by the police.
This thread has truly exposed your two-faced double standards.
Kev
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