Re: Beheading video man sent to jail

The Todal goes:

>"Alan Hope" <not.alan.hope@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:j7inj19d2vrjqdsa4hd7iuh2hspchs79bl@xxxxxxxxxx
>> The Todal goes:
>>>"Alan Hope" <not.alan.hope@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:066nj1dh56ng734i2sd4gdroabvtf6f0f9@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> The Todal goes:

>>>>>I'm not sure what you mean by malicious intent - I don't suppose he
>>>>>intended
>>>>>her to suffer any harm, merely to share his own sense of queasiness. But
>>>>>of
>>>>>course, the judge might have taken a different view.

>>>> Yeah right. He was carrying a snuff video around on his phone to point
>>>> out to anyone he met man's inhumanity to man.

>>>> Cuz the whole of human history to date doesn't really make the point,
>>>> does it? Pogroms, genocide, war and the Final Solution doesn't quite
>>>> get it across. You need to have a postage-stamp size video of some
>>>> Chechens cutting off a Russian boy's head or people walk by on the
>>>> other side, I find.

>>>> Especially girls.

>>>What do you reckon his motives were, then?

>> I'm happy to trust to the court.

>That would be futile since the court struggled to understand why he would
>carry it, and didn't express any view.

On the contrary, they made their view perfectly plain by convicting
the bloke.

>You imply that there is something
>rather disreputable about carrying it.

I have expressed no opinion whatever on his possession of the
material. Since it was not the matter under consideration, I fail to
see why I should express myself.

For your own information, I think his possession of such videos makes
him a sad twat. His use of them in this case makes him a jailbird. So
it goes.

>We will have to agree to differ on
>that. I expect if you had a mobile with video capability, any videos would
>be wholesome and healthy.

I should put a bullet in my own brain-pan before ever seeking such an
unspeakable apparatus out. I cannot imagine how it could ever fit into
my life.

>Party political broadcasts, maybe. I haven't ever
>found a use for video on my phone. I get sent boring snippets of video
>showing a stately home that a member of the family has visited, or someone
>having a meal.

Such family members need to be disowned.

>>>Is there any distinction to be
>>>drawn between having such images on your computer and having them on your
>>>mobile? If you hear that Islamic groups are circulating such images and
>>>that
>>>extremists are looking at them and are rejoicing that such atrocities are
>>>committed, is it wrong to search for them on the Internet and see for
>>>yourself what is being discussed?

>> None of this is germane. You're steering away from the point for
>> reasons you'll know best.

>You were the one who said sarcastically that the reason he had the image was
>to point out to anyone he met man's inhumanity to man.

Well all right. The reason he had the image and was carrying it around
in his pocket. Downloading it from the Internet may well be legit for
all I care. Taking it from the computer and sticking it on your phone
is a sign of something else.

>The real motive might
>never be ascertained. Possible motives might include: "I've got an expensive
>new phone. See what it can do. Somebody sent me this, and it shows something
>that was talked about in the news on telly last night but this is what they
>didn't show". The criminalisation of normal human behaviour is something
>that I always find distasteful.

Except it's not normal human behaviour, as the court ruled, and
not-normal behaviour is the very ground the criminal system works.

>> He wasn't convicted of having such images,
>> either on his computer or his mobile. I'm not doing anything wrong by
>> having a bunch of sharp knives in my kitchen, but I'd be in trouble if
>> I waved one in a young lady's face. See how that works?

>Yes. But the police are unlikely ever to arrest you for carrying a
>video-capable phone as a potential offensive weapon.

Until you prove that it is such, as happened in this case.


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AH


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