Re: Hutton and croines awnsering questions on 508

Then every single debt collection department of any company dealing with
individual people is also as liable.

CSA are not the only people who cause stress over money.
They certainly aren't the only people to cause stress. Many employees in
different companies can also get stressed. Shall we let them off from work?

Martin <><


tony wrote:
It's imoral and wrong, interim accessements intention is to inflict
inertia (stress) on the NRP and should constitute personal injury
which renumeration could be sought.

Logic?

Your not allowed to inflict seriouse physical harm on anyone over
debt, it is well documented by the medical proffession that stress is
a killer.
My question in conclusion, are the CSA guilty or not?
(corprate man slaughter, murder etc?)


"Martin Davies" <mart2306@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Not so sure about other companies.
Ever gone overdrawn beyond limit while away from home? At least one
bank I know of would happily charge you in excess of £200 in a week,
just in bank charges.
More than a couple will add arbitary admin charges if payment is
late. All designed to make it cheaper to comply with the company than to
defy them.

The bullying isn't a great deal different than lenders have. Or even
housing associations.
CSA just tend to ask for more on the arrears repayment.

Interim assessments were perhaps never meant to be more than a short
term thing. You refuse to provide figures, or refuse to fill in the
form, you get an assessment thats likely a lot higher than it should
be. Good incentive then to complete the forms or provide the info.

The tax office do something similar. Supply tax return by 31st
January, and no penalty. Supply it late and its £100 fine each.
Supply payment late and they start adding interest.
Its an incentive and a threat together. Many do comply within the
time limit. Many others do not, so get a fine.

With child support, not everyone will provide the details. Not
everyone will even fill in the damn form at all.
So should they be ignored? Or should there be some incentive/threat
to get them to provide whats needed? Thats where the interim
assessments (for NRP) and reduced benefit direction (for PWC on
benefit) comes in. Without any incentive/threat, would any information be
provided by
anyone? Come to think of it, many laws are like that. You don't stab the
guy
who dinged your car at the supermarket because of the threat of
prosecution if you do. The threat may not be mentioned in letters,
but it exists. Martin <><


tony wrote:
Yeah good point, but then other companies don't tend to give overly
inflated interim accessements which Hutton admitted were designed to
frighten people, (or in otherwords force complience via stress.)

It is clearly emotional abuse, in order to bully people, (usually
fathers) into complience. This can not in a so called civalised
socierty? be seen as a way of getting things done.

If this intimmidation isn't illigal, it should be. In any case
Hutton addmits it causes problems via inflating figures of owed
money, it serves only to ailienate both people and organisation
alike. It defies logic!

"Martin Davies" <mart2306@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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LOL.
Common sense would suggest that its better for both parents to make
private arrangements.
Yet a major portion of CSA caseload are private clients. Go figure.

Not sure how far putting people under undue stress could be taken.
Any debt being chased by any company could be said to put people
under undue stress, even the milkman knocking the door wanting his
money! Martin <><

tony wrote:
Putting people under undue stress should entitle them to take
legal action on medical grounds.
CSA come accross as very nasty people when they then make threats.

Government minister seemed perplexed with the fact that there were
fictional moneys owed that couldn't be written off because of
legistlation, also owed by dead people and those who had left the
country.
Dodgy legistlation seems to be at the heart of CSA, and common
sense can't be applied.

"Martin Davies" <mart2306@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Interim assessments are often fiction. Except the catagory B ones
anyway, they at least are based on most of the same formula as a
full assessment. The other interim assessments are based on
arbitary figures. They tend to be higher than a normal
assessment, which is intended to
scare people into supplying the needed figures.
If your interim assessment is £120 a week, and you only earn
£250 a week, they expect it to be either paid, or the relevant
figures given to work out actual assessment.
There are some people who will pay rather than provide details.

Martin <><

tony wrote:
Hutton did squirm from time to time, he's going to take on
redundant staff from DFWP and then rely on volentry leaving to
cap levels. (SQUIRM)
He's proud to be into enforcement, but admits that up to two
thirds interim accessement is fiction, which is difficult to
write off. (SQUIRM.)
He isn't really prepared to scrap EDS contract, but tries to
talk a good game, were also not going to be converted to new
system until Lord ?s findings indicate that we should, and then
only when another new system is built and debugged. (SQUIRM.)

So they use interim accessement to scare, and then are supprised
by none complience!

Why would a sane person want to comply with this fiction? They
indicated that there was an appeals proceedure...

For what it's worth!




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Passing the book, and telling committee how well there doing!

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