Re: How to beat the grey squirrel cull

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:14:31 +0100, Malcolm
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:29:40 +0100, Malcolm
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:27:33 +0100, Malcolm
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:16:01 +0100, Malcolm
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:25:10 +0100, Malcolm
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:58:17 +0100, Malcolm
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:44:17 +0100, Malcolm
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In article <c629855iu47t07i02npii9c1vefb32v0gm@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes

nothing new, just endless cut and paste, including insulting

merely shows that he has surrendered.

Cutting and pasting very adequately answers your endless tripe.


He has been using phrases about the Merseyside squirrels, including
"frequent" monitoring, but when asked has been unable to say

the squirrels are being monitored, so his use of the word
"frequently"
is a deliberate attempt to mislead.

In Merseyside, a buffer zone has been in place for a number of years
where grey squirrels are killed. However, increased human
exploitation of red squirrels for tourism and the frequent intrusion
by conservationists for monitoring population levels was
always likely
to lead to stress and loss of condition of the red squirrel resulting
in an increased susceptibility to disease. The recent announcement
that the red squirrel population has declined by 90% in the past two
years is hardly surprising.

In short, fewer grey squirrels with more conservation and tourist
intrusion have resulted in a massive decline in the red squirrel
population - definitely not the predicted outcome.

Information I have from locals is that "red squirrel freaks are never
away from the place".

Perhaps I should have described it a freakquent.

Perhaps you should, because you still haven't produced any information
whatsoever on the frequency of the monitoring, and certainly
nothing to
entitle you to describe it as "frequent" (which I see you are still
doing) and therefore contributing, according to you but again without
the slightest evidence, to "stress and loss of condition".

You don't have any facts so you invent them to suit your warped agenda
:-(


Quite the reverse, Malcolm. You should download our PDF from the
www.grey-squirrel.org.uk website entitled "Victimising Grey Squirrels"
and learn something.

Nothing new, though.

Doesn't need to be.

Never is.


As I said it doesn't need to be.


BTW we recieve many emails from America against the killing of "their"
gray squirrels and this morning got a copy of one written to
conservationists. In it he said, "Hands off our adorable gray
squirrels, you despicable barbarians in Great Britain". He also
associates it with the anti-american feelings of the Brits.

LOL!!!

That's wonderful :-)))

Reply to him and tell him that if he likes to come over here and catch
them, he is more than welcome to take them back to the States!


They're not American squirrels. They're as British as you and me.

So you keep saying, but you're wrong.

http://www.nonnativespecies.org/
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/wildlife-manage/non-native/
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Environment/Wildlife-Habitats/InvasiveS
pecies

etc., etc., etc.



Ah yes, here comes your racism tendencies. Their ancesters may have
come from America but the ones in this country are as native as you
and me.

Sigh :-(

Once more you descend to insults because you can't answer my point.
There are no-one's "racism tendencies" involved, Angus. The URLs I gave
show you that this is government policy. You can call it "racism" if you
like, and you can try and anthropomorphise the situation if you like,
but your views are not the accepted ones and nor is there any point in
you continuing to pretend to yourself that the grey squirrels born in
Britain are "native". Grey squirrels were introduced from North America
and the status of individuals born in Britain is that they are members
of a non-native species as defined on those websites.

That's what's wrong and dishonest. And I'm not trying to
anthropomorphise squirrels. All I'm doing it treating all mammals the
same. You on the other hand are excluding man's activities from
nature which is fake conservation nonsense.

So you keep saying, but if you refer to the websites I indicated, you
will see that the definitions of "native" and "non-native" have been
internationally agreed. If you want to change that, you'd better call
your own inter-governmental conference on the subject.

International agreements mean very little. Just look at the free
trade agreements from the late 1800s to 1914 to see how they all fell
apart and how it's likely to fall apart again in the not too distant
future.

You're welcome to clutch at such straws, if you like, but doing so won't
change anything.


So you think WW1 didn't change anything? Shows how much you know
about it.



I see you are still persisting with your own "fake" conservation fantasy
:-(



Well you've no example of genuine conservation that can stand up to
scrutiny.

I've given you one in another thread. I can give you hundreds, if you
like but there seems little point as you have a closed mind on the
subject.


I am not open to disingenuous references.





Still, I hope that, as you are an avowed animal lover, you are
celebrating the recent increase in red squirrel numbers at
this locality
and will mention it in any future letters/messages on the subject.

How much of an increase? There was no details mentioned. It was
more like trying to keep the money rolling in by prophising success.

However, if they'd 100 red squirrels and were left with 10 and managed
to increase that to 11, I suppose fake conservationists would herald
that a success.

I dare say "fake conservationists" might, but as there are no such
people (except inside your head), the remark is irrelevant, isn't it?


Not at all.

Malcolm Ogilvie really has a problem

No, I don't have any sort of a problem. You do, as evidenced by your
claims that grey squirrels are "as British as you and me". This is
patently not the case, as shown by the URLs I have provided, plus lots
of others.

But the URLs are profoundly flawed by being based on the activities of
humans being outwith nature which is scientific dishonesty and you and
the fakes are part of it.

Yes, so you keep saying, but that doesn't alter the facts. Nor do your
endless claims about "fakes" which only exist in your head. As for
"scientific dishonesty", I suggest you learn some science.

Are you saying that in science the activities of man are outside of
nature?

Please explain how the introduction of the grey squirrel from North
America could have occurred *naturally*.

I think you have a lot to learn.

I'm really not interested in your thoughts on the subject.

That's why you haven't learned anything.

LOL!! Bighead Angus!!

Thickhead Malcolm :-))



Man has done
things, like introducing the grey squirrel from North America, which
could never have occurred *naturally*.

Only if you exclude the activities of man from nature. Which is fake
conservation nonsense.

Not so.


Why not? Is the human mammal not part of nature and it's activities
just as relevant to nature as any other mammal?

Where such introductions have
caused significant damage, and the grey squirrel is merely one instance
out of many (and you appear not to be bothered about any of these except
the grey squirrel for some reason), and if it is thought that something
can be done to ameliorate that damage, it is right to try to do so. And
there have been several success stories.

See above.

Your lack of understanding about nature and natural events pertaining
to mammals is breathtaking. You only believe what you want to believe
with no consistency whatsoever. That's why you're a fake.

As your first two sentences are based on your own lack of understanding,
your conclusion is, obviously, wrong.

It's not a question of not understanding. It's understanding that the
exclusion of the activities of man from nature to suit an agenda is
profoundly flawed and downright dishonest.


The arrival of the grey squirrel in the UK could not have occurred
"naturally" and didn't. It was caused by man and man is attempting to
repair the damage caused.

Only if you exclude the activities of man from nature which iis fake
conservation nonsense.


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