Re: RSPB "APRIL FOOL" ON R4 TODAY

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:10:56 +0100, Malcolm
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:41:30 +0100, Malcolm
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:14:14 +0100, Malcolm
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In article <4f894b282erjseago@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Robert Seago
<rjseago@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
In article <1207041215.677.0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
BAC <casswalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Blimey - (some) RSPB staff have a sense of humour!
Spoilsport, I was waiting for someone to start invoking nazis.

LOL!!


Not to disappoint you:

Nazi Conservationists

You have an obsession with the nazis.

Not me , Malcolm. You and your fake conservationists that who emulate
Nazi principles.


Like the Nazi thugs were to human ethnics in the 1930s,
conservationists are to grey squirrels in the 21 century. In a frenzy
of intolerance they persecute and destroy those who are native by
birth but condemned by origin.

You have an obsession with the nazis.


See above.

Thousands of grey squirrels are being slaughtered across the UK in a
campaign of hate directed at these small friendly and amusing rodents
in the belief that they are infecting "native" red squirrels with
squirrel-pox virus known as SQPV.

They are infecting the red squirrels, which are native, not "native". If
you think they are not infecting the reds and that the reds are not
native, then please produce your evidence.

However, a recent incidence of pox
infection on the Isle of Anglesey in Wales has largely undermined the
conservationists' claims.

Only in your eyes.


Not at all. Killing greys isn't going to stop pox in reds.

Anglesey has two populations of red squirrels, one of which is in
Mvnydd Llwydiarth forest at Pentraeth where, according to the Forestry
Commission,
"Red squirrels were close to extinction within Mynydd Llwydiarth in
the late 1990s. The forest contained significant numbers of grey
squirrels, which were competing with the remaining red squirrels.
However, once the grey squirrels were trapped and removed, the red
squirrel population responded very positively, and by 2002, there were
almost 100 adult red squirrels living in and around the forest". So,
we have it on good authority that grey squirrels have been
exterminated and are no longer present in the vicinity.

However, in February 2008 two red squirrels from this location were
found to have a pox infection that was originally thought to be SQPV
but which preliminarily tested negative, even although the symptoms
were exactly the same. This means that there must be an endemic pox
virus within the red squirrel population that has absolutely nothing
to do with grey squirrels, has never affected grey squirrels, and is
not being carried by grey squirrels.

Please produce your evidence that it is "endemic". That is, assuming you
realise what you mean by "endemic".


If you don't know what it means, look it up.

So no evidence produced.

You don't need evidence; you need a dictionary.


This is no surprise, as red
squirrels were infected in 40 districts in England where greys had
never reached in the early part of the last century.

So what were they infected with? Do you know? Or are you merely
speculating?


A pox virus.

Which "pox virus"?


Take your pick. The scientists don't know.


A point
conveniently ignored by the so-called conservationists.

Wrong.


No. They ignore it because it undermines their credibility.

It is clear that the red squirrel population is vulnerable to a pox
virus irrespective of what name it is given. It appears when the
population density increases, so does the incidence of disease.

This is your speculation, nothing more.


Population density has always had a bearing on disease in all
populations.

What a wonderfully sweeping generalisation. Please produce your evidence
that this has occurred in the red and grey squirrels.


More contact



This
is not new. red squirrel populations have fluctuated wildly due to
disease and persecution in the past.

What disease? Please specify.


A pox virus.

So you said. Please specify which "pox virus".




see above.

Grey squirrels cannot be the cause of a disease that is endemic in
reds

Please produce your evidence that there is a disease "endemic in reds".


Because reds had pox before they were in contact with greys

That isn't (a) evidence that it was endemic or (b) evidence that it was
the same pox virus.


(a) if they had it in forty areas then it pretty well was endemic.

(b) See above.

but may merely add to an existing infection reservoir in the
red's population through adding to the overall squirrel population
density in a given location.

Oh dear :-((


When you don't understand something that your usual response.

No, I tend to say it when you write something that you clearly don't
understand.

Quite the reverse.



Please produce your evidence that density is linked to disease in
squirrels. It may help you to produce an answer if you look at the
relative densities of grey and red squirrels in different habitats and
reflect on which is has the higher density, grey or red.


See above.

Nowhere above is any evidence for your claim.


See above.


It is as outrageous as it is grossly unfair to slaughter thousands of
grey squirrels

Before you can make that claim, you have to justify your various
statements above. Can you?


I have.

No, you haven't. But then you can't as no such evidence exists.

Yes I have. The scientists don't have a clue and work on mere
speculation which they present as fact.

Now that's what I call "no evidence".
Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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