Re: Unambiguous definition?

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:35 +0000, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <up0ep390ra10bbijhd3kkiru0kn5mgu003@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:27:47 +0000, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <d3vcp3h7tafjvqrdaadorde6emuaib305j@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:33:33 +0000, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <23kcp3ps6oonjqk76gugh3o0l9aq7urob5@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:52:59 +0000 (GMT), Robert Seago
<rjseago@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <u8bap31d2epeari5g71e801i0h3sf3nri2@xxxxxxx>,
<amacmil304@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Anyone care to give an unambiguous definition of "native species"?


Conventionally, species native to the UK are regarded as those that have
arrived here since the last ice age without human assistance.

This is the generally accepted convention.

The rationale behind it, and the reason that I concur with it is that, the
heritage in Britain that we have is composed of species which have been
selected for our environment, that is our climates, soils and land use.

I thought that's what it might be . So what about those (re)introduced
from foreign countries by so-called conservationists with different
climates, soils and land use? Red squirrel and beavers for instance.

Red squirrels never died out in the UK, so what happened was not a
reintroduction but the boosting of an existing population, the same as
with Red Kites.

Where did you come to that conclusion?

Here.

As you have been told more than once, all modern reintroductions follow
internationally agreed guidelines which govern both the suitability of
the source population as well as the conditions in the reintroduction
locality to make sure that it is suitable in terms of climate, soils,
land use, food availability, etc., etc.

That doesn't make them indigenous to where they are introduced.

The species was indigenous to the area, died out and was re-established.
The species is therefore indigenous.

Sorry, I missed this.

It not the paper classification that being introduced but real live
animals from a different environment which because they have not
evolved here for thousands of years cannot possibly be - by your own
argument -"native" to this country.

You seem to have it fixed in your mind that the environment is
"different". Please produce your evidence for this.


I have. Are you saying it's the same?


They
have evolved in entirely different environments.

The white-tailed eagles in Norway are living in the same environment as
the west of Scotland, which explains why the birds brought from Norway
are flourishing.

That's nonsense; it explains nothing. You could again say the same
thing about grey squirrels and a host of other plants and animals from
other countries that flourish here.

Indeed some do flourish here, and those, like the grey squirrel or
Japanese knotwee, that do so at the expense of our native fauna or flora
are therefore regarded as pests that need controlling. Well done for
spotting this.

So your claim that "the white-tailed eagles in Norway are living in
the same environment as the west of Scotland, which explains why the
birds brought from Norway are flourishing" explains nothing and was
complete garbage"

Well done, Malcolm..
Angus Macmillan
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All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
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