Re: Yet another "expert's" opinion

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:38:54 +0100, Malcolm
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:58:12 +0100, Malcolm
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:07:28 +0100, Malcolm
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:55:47 +0100, Malcolm
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:25:05 +0100, Malcolm
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:27:27 +0100, Robert Seago
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In article <2pgj639mcu5tmaohat9ang0co3jumikkso@xxxxxxx>,
<amacmil304@xxxxxxx> wrote:

As I have told you many times, I am not a conservationist or an
environmentalist. But I oppose the dishonesty of those who say they
are but indulge in and encourage environmental damage

But you say you oppose the production of veal.

Of course I am.

But you are prepared to
eat dairy products


Milk production is not a product of the veal industry. And milk would
still be produced if veal was not.




Nonsense. You were taken to court for, among other things,
misusing the
word "slaughter".

<snip > But they're not really "reserves" they traps to
lure birds to for shooting.
That is certainly not an accurate picture Angus.

Of course it is.

You've snipped the bit I referred to which was from MO:

"Perfectly legal shooting of accepted quarry species which have
strictly regulated seasons. And a great many wildfowling clubs run
reserves".

I believe this is a cynical manipulation of luring wildlife for the
kill. The wildfowlers know that there will be plenty of birds to shoot
if they run reserves.

Just as landowners let out shooting next to RSPB reserves.

What is the point of having reserves if they are cynically used to
shoot birds?

Which is about as ridiculous a statement as it is possible to make.


Not at all. In a response to a Scotsman letter some time ago a reader
said at times at the Loch Leven reserve she couldn't hear the sound of
the birds for the guns.

And whereabouts on the Loch Leven reserve was the shooting taking place?

It wasn't on the reserve . It was on land adjacent to the reserve that
is let out to shooters. See above.

But do we hear anything about this from the RSPB?

Let's get the facts right, shall we, instead of having just your
distorted view? Land all round Loch Leven has been let out to shooters
for decades. The area owned by the RSPB is not now shot over. Which do
you think is better? Shooting all round the loch without restriction or
shooting now prevented from happening on a large reserve?

What I think would be better is if the RSPB made it known that birds
heading for its reserve were liable to be shot by wildfowlers and
disassociated itself from these people by not fraternising with them
in other locations. Doing or saying nothing should not be an option.

I thought you would probably avoid answering my question. Too difficult
for you?

Are you claiming that reserves do no good?

1. Bird reserves attract shooters to adjacent land to kill birds.

Bird reserves attract and protect large numbers of birds. Are you saying
that they are no good?

I am saying they attract birds to the kill and are environmentally
damaging when marketed as visitor attractions.


2. They are marketed as visitor attractions in the full knowledge that
they will attract the motoring public which is environmentally
damaging and the RSPB know this.

You are part of the "motoring public", Angus. You are environmentally
damaging. Remove the beam from your own eye.


Of course I'm a member of the motoring public but I'm not a
conservationist encouraging people to travel. For instance, the RSPB
claim that the bird reserve in Islay attracts thousands of visitors to
the island. Are you saying they're lying?



3. The RSPB should oppose shooting of birds adjacent to their reserves

Now you are just not thinking! If they stop the shooting of birds
adjacent to their reserves this merely increases the de facto size of
the reserves. There will still be land adjacent to the enlarged areas
where shooting could take place.

Rubbish. Think before you write.



but they are sympathetic to wildfowling and indeed jointly own land
with those who shoot birds.

It has been explained to you where and why this occurs.


Good. You admit they're sympathetic to shooting birds. That's some
way of protecting birds.

Some way of protecting birds!

The RSPB abides by the law of the land which lists a small number of
quarry species which may be shot during limited seasons.

But they could oppose it and protect the birds. They oppose other
things that are lawful.


They help to
monitor the populations of the quarry species are quickly call for
protection if numbers are seen to be declining.

So effectively they don't give a damn about individual birds as long
as there are enough to shoot - just like the wildfowlers?

Some way of protecting birds!


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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