Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:24:09 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:52:46 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:38:23 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:47:51 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:41:02 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <9s2c23li26p394u51ggpdq2955rjkb6rv2@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes


It's dishonest of you to claim that counting HLs will save others.

Where have I claimed that? This is just another of your inventions,
based either on deliberate distortion or a complete failure to
understand the written word.

You said:

"Obviously, I will. I live a considerable distance from the most
northerly known records of the Harlequin Ladybird, but everyone with
any interest in the survival of our native ladybirds will be keeping a
very close watch out for the invader and at the same time monitoring
the populations of our indigenous species."

So how will that lead to the survival (save) the indigenous species?

Sigh!

I know, you are rather boring.

In order to monitor the effect of the alien invader on our
indigenous species (good to see you using that word - you can't, of
course, come up with any alternative), it is helpful to have counts of
both the invader and the indigenous species, including the latter in
areas which the invader hasn't yet reached.

I'm using your terminology to help you understand. They're all native
by birth.

So you keep saying, but that is, as has been pointed out to you,
completely irrelevant when it comes to invasive introduced species, see,
e.g., SEERAD and DEFRA websites.


It's not irrelevant at all. They are in fact native by birth ands
that message is getting across loud and clear at every opportunity.
Present government policy does not mean they're right. There are many
things that are wrong in government policies.

It's completely irrelevant because your attempts to muddy the meaning of
the word native stand no chance of gaining acceptance


The meaning of the word has been stolen within the last few years by
fake conservationists.

LOL!!!

A completely impossible thing to happen.


No, Malcolm. Up until the fake conservationists came on the scene
"native" related to where one was born. It was then hijacked by your
lot as an adjective to describe the inanimate concocted term of
"species" within a classification system. Just another example of
sloppiness by the scientific community.





So what do you do when you count them? Just put in an out of date
book because the numbers will change continuously. Mind you, sounds
like good little earner :-((

Don't be so pathetic, Angus.

It's a fact, Malcolm.

Your previous statement isn't a fact - it's a mish-mash of prejudiced
nonsense.

The prejudice is yours against individuals that can't fight back.




If you don't understand the value of
regular monitoring, then you'd be as well not to make comments that
expose your ignorance of the subject.


What value is regular monitoring of HLs unless you propose to kill
them?

You just don't understand the value of monitoring, do you?


It's valueless to you unless you act by killing those you deem
unacceptable by origin or abundance.

Wrong. You clearly don't understand the first thing about it.



Mind you, the idea of counting ladybirds is as ridiculous as it is
plain daft but it can be a nice little earner for those with nothing
better to do.

It's being done by volunteers, in case you hadn't noticed.


Was Brin not "asking" for volunteers. So you're caught in your own
pedantic trap :-))

You're even more confused than usual. Yes, Brin was asking for
volunteers and, yes, I said it was being done by volunteers, both of us
thereby putting the lie to your claim that "it can be a nice little
earner".



But you still haven't said how counting helps to save the native
species.

Why do you think there are counting schemes in place across not just the
UK, but the majority of countries in the world, assessing population
sizes of animals and plants?


To keep duff scientists in jobs.

Your disparagement of the importance of conservation is obviously being
noted by "passers-by".


Well they only need to look at your posting history to see what a
duffer you are.

Are you afraid to say you will then know where they are to
start killing them?

You seem to be afraid to say that you don't care whether the UK's
ladybirds are killed off by the alien invader.


That's not answering the question.

Are you afraid?

Of what?

Of saying what you think about the potential loss of the UK's ladybirds.


So in what way will merely counting HLs save others unless it's a
precursor to killing them?

See above.

See above.



So what about answering this question, Angus?

I have.

Of course you haven't. You've dodged answering it.

Are you content/happy/upset/indifferent to the potential loss of the
UK's ladybirds to this alien invasive species?

See the other thread.

There is no answer in the other thread, merely evidence of your
desperate attempts not to answer it.

Of course there's an answer.

Just read it and try to understand it.

I have read your evasions, but not seen an answer.

You're obviously not up to understanding the answer.

It wasn't an answer, it was an evasion.


Of course it was an answer.

Humpty-dumpty mode again, I see.

Does your mummy read you nursery rhymes every night?

She'd find it difficult from where her ashes are buried.

So you're into spiritualism?

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.
    ... I take it then that you won't be counting Ladybirds with me? ... populations of our indigenous species. ... very close watch out for the invader and at the same time monitoring ... So how will that lead to the survival the indigenous species? ...
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  • Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.
    ... I take it then that you won't be counting Ladybirds with me? ... populations of our indigenous species. ... How will merely counting Harlequin Ladybirds ... So how will that lead to the survival the indigenous species? ...
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  • Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.
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  • Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.
    ... So how will that lead to the survival the indigenous species? ... It's being done by volunteers, ... ladybirds are killed off by the alien invader. ...
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  • Re: HARLEQUIN LADYBIRD.
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