Re: Much ado about a Lady bird.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:47:51 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <in5c231d5mgket8hk6e65v6ovolbeoima5@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:41:02 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <9s2c23li26p394u51ggpdq2955rjkb6rv2@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:46:29 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <cdkb2315jb901mt6lv0m8avk4msu238q1f@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:25:37 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <19ga23le97cmgqe12r6lroufgjntvegaht@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:05:27 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <1176830405.142583.130720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brin
<bernard.featherstone@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
Whats it all about Amacmil, all I was looking for was someone to count
ladybirds that they happened to come across. I'm not asking you to
stamp on them but if you stamp like you rant you would be lethal.
If you looked at the two links I put in my post you would see quite
clearly that nobody is seeking grants or money of any kind. There is
no suggestion either of being asked to kill the Harlequin.
I am interested because the Ladybird is one insect that children are
not afraid of and are happy to handle gently.It helps them to learn
about and accept insects.
I take it then that you won't be counting Ladybirds with me?
Malcolm,how about you?

Obviously, I will. I live a considerable distance from the most
northerly known records of the Harlequin Ladybird, but everyone with any
interest in the survival of our native ladybirds will be keeping a very
close watch out for the invader and at the same time monitoring the
populations of our indigenous species. And, contrary to Angus's heavily
biassed claims, no-one will be doing it for financial reward but
because, unlike Angus, we actually care about our indigenous wildlife.


So the question is: How will merely counting Harlequin Ladybirds
benefit the survival of the native species?

The fact that you have to ask that question demonstrates very clearly
how little you understand.


No Malcolm, it shows how dishonest you are.

How can it possibly be "dishonest" to point out that you have asked a
question which exposes your lack of knowledge?


It's dishonest of you to claim that counting HLs will save others.

Where have I claimed that? This is just another of your inventions,
based either on deliberate distortion or a complete failure to
understand the written word.

You said:

"Obviously, I will. I live a considerable distance from the most
northerly known records of the Harlequin Ladybird, but everyone with
any interest in the survival of our native ladybirds will be keeping a
very close watch out for the invader and at the same time monitoring
the populations of our indigenous species."

So how will that lead to the survival (save) the indigenous species?

Sigh!

I know, you are rather boring.

In order to monitor the effect of the alien invader on our
indigenous species (good to see you using that word - you can't, of
course, come up with any alternative), it is helpful to have counts of
both the invader and the indigenous species, including the latter in
areas which the invader hasn't yet reached.

I'm using your terminology to help you understand. They're all native
by birth.

So what do you do when you count them? Just put in an out of date
book because the numbers will change continuously. Mind you, sounds
like good little earner :-((

But you still haven't said how counting helps to save the native
species. Are you afraid to say you will then know where they are to
start killing them?





You'll have to excuse Angus, Brin. He frequently takes his animal rights
and anti-conservation stances to silly extremes, as on this occasion. I
have asked him a number of times what he actually feels about the
potential extinction of the UK's indigenous ladybirds and he has avoided
answering. I suspect he is afraid to.

I don't have to be excused at all. I oppose the ethnic cleansing of
individuals both in human and wildlife terms.

At last! So you do oppose the killing of the UK's indigenous ladybirds
by the alien invasive harlequin ladybird. Why couldn't you have said
this before, when asked?


This posting by Malcolm shows what a fake he really is.

Yawnnnnnn. Angus indulging in one of his obsessions.

No Malcolm, Just exposing your dishonesty.

Oh look, Angus is in his Humpty-Dumpty mode. Anyone who asks him awkward
questions that he can't answer is now branded as "dishonest".


So in what way will merely counting HLs save others unless it's a
precursor to killing them?

See above.

See above.



So what about answering this question, Angus?

I have.

Of course you haven't. You've dodged answering it.

Are you content/happy/upset/indifferent to the potential loss of the
UK's ladybirds to this alien invasive species?

See the other thread.

There is no answer in the other thread, merely evidence of your
desperate attempts not to answer it.

Of course there's an answer.

Just read it and try to understand it.

I have read your evasions, but not seen an answer.

You're obviously not up to understanding the answer.




Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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