Re: Woodlands improve health

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:02 +0100, Malcolm Kane
<malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In message <i4iue2h7eonrs34epe8ib6fc82vda27b91@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:41:36 +0100, Malcolm Kane
<malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In message <he7ue21m33gg307u798ia4875t8uqmsknq@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes

I love it when you seize your comfort blanket of "fake conservation"
whenever anyone disagrees with you :-)


You really have a problem with this because you don't have an argument
against it.

He and in fact many others regularly destroy your claim.

The reason they are fakes is that they say they are
conserving the natural environment

They do and the evidence is very clear.

but in reality they are indulging
in and encouraging environmentally damaging activities which make them
attractive to the general public.

Such as? Before you bring out the old chestnut of reserves they are
doing two things. Firstly encouraging those who visit reserves to do so
in a more environmentally friendly manner - bus train and bike.
Secondly when they are there they are attracting them away from worse
activities such as driving to watch Go Karting, while there they are
also educated about the advantages of environmental care, something you
could benefit from.

They also pump out masses of junk
mail and publications which are environmentally damaging in their
production,

Some but not masses I receive more junk mail from people trying to
persuade me to take credit cards than all "environmental" junk mail put
together. Before you condemn the practice any further please suggest
equally effective ways of getting the environment message out.

distribution and disposal and con the public into thinking
these are environmentally friendly by printing "100% recycled paper".

No con the public have intelligence. (Perhaps you don't) they realise
that all the recycle note does is show that they are trying to reduce
the effect of the mailing. Oh by the way I don't accept i9t is junk.
It is trying to get over a valuable message and is in that case no more
junk than a government leaflet giving public information.

What a bunch of crooks these people really are!

Please quote which laws they have broken? Otherwise they aren't
criminals. Crooks is generally used to describe criminals.


But it doesn't stop there.

The whole conservation industry is a con from top to bottom!

The Kyoto Protocol scam got over 100 countries including the UK to
sign up to reducing emissions but excluded the emerging economies from
such limitations.

Are you suggesting that the governments are an industry? Have you ever
heard of being pragmatic?

Despite signing the commitment and making great
claims about it the UK is importing masses of produce from countries
of the emerging economies, so all that's happening is that we are
"exporting" our environmental so-called responsibilities to the likes
of China.

This has exactly what to9 do with the conservation "industry"
particularly with regard to conservation organisations which we were
discussing.

Indeed, in Canada last year a last minute agreement was
manufactured to keep the scam going.

Another example of fake conservation was the RSPB's news release of
February 2005 in which they said "cooking our planet will disrupt and
devastate all life and giving this process the cosy name global
warming only makes it easier for all of us, especially politicians, to
ignore the consequences",

Are you suggesting the RSPB came up with the name? I and many others
have been urging you not to ignore it for years now - particularly with
reference to your "transport of choice". Don't bleat about people being
encouraged to ignore global warming until YOU are able to say you are
doing your bit.

yet at the same time they were accepting
pages of world wide travel advertisements in their Birds magazine.

So you advocate forms of censorship and restrictions on peoples
commercial freedom?

Is
there any reason I should not call into question the honesty of these
people and call them fakes?

There are many reasons most of which are regularly pointed out to you.
However in this most recent rant the main one is that most of what you
complain about has noting to do with conservation organisations and is
in fact beyond their control.

That's exactly what they are!

Wrong (AGAIN)


So Malcolm, wise up to the fact that the whole conservation industry
is bent from the top down and I've yet to see an exception.

It was you that read an article about an excellent idea for
improving the health of less fortunate people than yourself and
immediately dubbed them "a mix of the half dead, mentally incapacitated,
socially bereft and local thugs". You are clearly suffering from a
different kind of sickness :-(

It certainly won't do anything to conserve the natural environment the
woodlands.

Why not?

It's another example of urbanising the woodland
environment by expanding the human footprint, rather than conserving
it.

Explain clearly how it does no wildlife conservation.


It's another example how the environment can be of benefit to man.

It's the benefit of man that ruining the environment.

Have you ever walked in a wood?


Something you seem unable to grasp.

I grasp it very well ; much better than you do.

Obviously not. If you are brave enough to try to answer this post the
ensuing discussion will explain it to you.


.As has been said on the walking
newsgroup, you would benefit yourself from getting out into the
countryside and seeing what it is actually like instead of how you
imagine it is. You would also become more healthy through exercise :-)



These issues have been covered a many times on this ng and never
effectively disputed.

Go and waste someone else's time or more of your own if you feel
inclined.

Nice admission that you have no answer to the points made.

Thanks Angus.

I did say if you were brave enough to discuss it would appear you
weren't.

Sad.


Go and waste someone else's time or more of your own if you feel
inclined.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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