Re: Angus Macmillan's stupidity

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:47:40 +0100, Malcolm Kane
<malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In message <q94c421ph72tth8qdlr5hddq6tupih5l72@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:47:58 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <p9ub4251103uo200vkmefk4m25gncmi6qh@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes

more repetitive nonsense.

There is obviously a greater risk in places where a large number of
migrant birds congregate and if I was the parent of a small child I
would err on the side of caution and keep well away from bird
reserves.

You refuse to consider places where direct contact between birds and
people occurs every day whereas on bird reserves direct contact between
birds and people is deliberately avoided. This blatant selectivity is
based not on any perceived risk of flu but on your silly vendetta
against conservation organisations.

More repetitive nonsense nonsense from you, primarily ignoring any
risk in favour of holding up visitor numbers to reserves where
infection could be present among large numbers of migratory birds.

You do not address two points firstly there has NEVER been a case of
avian flu in humans (of this strain) caused by wild birds.

Secondly you don't address the point that migratory birds are not on the
reserve 24 7 or 365 days a year. They fly over your house and C**p on
your car. Why don't you worry about that. They visit the local ponds
and leave the muck on the paths and grass in a way they don't at a
reserve.


Infected bird crap could be anywhere

You don't need to say any thing beyond this.

on the reserves unless of course
so- called "experts" such as you have trained them to crap in
designated locations :-)

It is undeniable that large numbers of migratory birds fly into the
reserves in the area where the infection was found and it is possible
an perhaps likely that some of those birds could be infected.

Two points firstly we are now about 4 to 9 incubation periods since the
swan was found. If infection was around more infected carcasses would
have been found.

Secondly there has NEVER been a case of infection by this strain from a
wild bird.

There
is no question that migratory birds will bring more bird flu to the UK

Why? Hong Kong is near the area of mainland China where the strain
originated 10 years ago they have tested 16000 birds and not found a
single case of infection. Why should the UK be different?

if someone has a mild flu and comes into contact with infected
droppings,

When dried and inhaled.

mutation could take place and a pandemic ensue. It's
prudent to avoid bird reserves within infection areas until the risk
recedes.

In that case it is prudent to avoid all places where birds might have
defecated as you yourself have said they can't be trained to go to set
places.

You are surely aware that birds range well outside the reserves. To
give an example seabirds (not gulls) have been found in Peregrine nests
near Speyside. So anywhere could have infected birds - by your
argument.


It is acknowledged that if the virus mutates then it could kill
10,000 school children. That was announced last week. If that's not
a risk I don't know what is.


It is a risk BUT they infection in the first place will not be from a
wild bird there has not been in 10 years a single infection from wild
birds.


See my responses to Dr Thick.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk
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