Re: Conservation or Management

On 24 Nov 2005 21:51:52 -0800, "Karen" <peelpreconception@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>Angus, you're quite the thinker. You paint a moral picture that is
>hard to resist. My problem with it ...is that... the Jews because of
>their inherent belief system fell under condemnation by a 'mad man'
>...and they were persecuted because of their beliefs... not because of
>their actions but because of their inabiltiy to act.

No, you're quite wrong there. Hitler might be regarded as mad by some
but it must be acknowledged that he was voted Chancellor by the
majority of Germans. And the Jews were not really persecuted for their
beliefs they were persecuted for their success.


>Lets address for
>instance... the American Mink, they have no beliefs and they are the
>most vicious mammal existant. I live where they thrive...in the US
>marshlands...gulf coast. I like mink in the scheme of things...they fit
>into our environmental setting and we have predators which control
>their numbers and in turn the Mink control the numbers of other
>animals... 'survival of the fit'!!!!...but in England they 'out swim
>and fight' the water vole who is your native son...and your otters (who
>are just making a comeback don't find Mink easy to catch and Otter
>also kill the vole, but by birthright.) In my heart I wish that you
>could just send all of the Mink home...where they belong and where they
>would find both prey and predator that are a match for their mighty
>spirits...but you can't or won't...

Sure mink prey on water voles (or water rats as they are known) but
there are other causes for thier decline. Habitat loss, Population
fragmentation, Pollution, Persecution, Drying out and flooding of
dikes/ditches, Development Pressure; so it's not all down to the mink.

> I don't think Water Voles are
>Hitler...or concerned wildlife groups advocating their cull are
>'Hitler'...

I don't think water voles are Hitler either but I do think that
so-called conservation groups that kill mink for the purpose of
improving the lot of the water vole are acting in exactly the same way
as Hitler did when he persecuted the Jews to improve the lot of the
Aryans who could be described as "native sons".


>I think in this case the Mink is 'Hitler' and the water vole
>the Jew...

Not at all. It is not killing water voles to improve it's or any
other's habitat.

>Mink have risen out adversity and captivity as a strong
>competitor in the wetlands of Britain...risen up to destroy a beautiful
>and already condemned child of England ...the Water Vole...this pairing
>is not 'survival of the strong'...but massacre of the meek, the mild
>...a vegetarian mammal.

It doesn't give humans the right to massacre the mink who could be
regarded as the meek in relation to us. Vegetarian mamals have always
been prey to carnivorous predators.

>Greed and thoughtless humans brought the mink
>to England...to enslave him for fur ...now...NOT the humans are paying
>the price for this error but... the innocent Water Vole...who takes no
>life to support his own...

I agree.

>I make no choice for the mink...if you
>believe in saving 'them' or any other non-indigenous animal...find a
>way to send them home where they belong or cull them in a humane
>fashion...don't endanger innocence with your misguided talk of
>survival...

I have no problem with mink being trapped and resettled somewhere that
will not affect the water vole. But I am absolutely against killing
them for what they do naturally through no fault of their own. Mink
can't help being in Britain.


>I admire your desire to stop the killing of animals, ...but
>your vision of 'survival' is one without mercy for the animal who need
>your mercy and saving the most.

What about mercy for the mink who finds himself here through no fault
of his own. Should he be executed for this?

>All things are not equal in Britain...

I agree.

>The Mink is doing well and thriving ...right here in his homeland...
>where he belongs..What about your Water Vole?

He's probably as much a victin of the mink as the mink is of man.

>As for Hunting for
>pleasure...its a struggle to understand that... but for food?...
>that... is where your survival code chimes in...
>

Hunting for fun and recreation is disgusting IMO


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk
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