Re: Threatened capercaillies

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:39:44 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>In article <qf50h1lqlhtigoht9dcqd9npduj48k1l8b@xxxxxxx>,
>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:10:23 +0100, Malcolm
>><Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <d5sug1deagat4g7n0at5vtgf3p8og3v202@xxxxxxx>,
>>>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>>>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:24:29 +0100, Malcolm Kane
>>>><malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <ycX5HwESosDDFwpN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Malcolm
>>>>><Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In Iceland, I was with a group of a dozen people when we came across a
>>>>>>phalarope brooding a newly hatched brood of young. It got up as we
>>>>>>approached and the five young started to move around. I gathered them
>>>>>>in my hand, knelt down and placed my hand palm upwards on the ground.
>>>>>>The phalarope walked on to my hand and brooded the young there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>As a boy I remember a friend lifting a Song Thrush off the nest check if
>>>>>the eggs had hatched and place her back on without her flying away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Both these circumstances are to do with the birds' desire to protect
>>>>their young. Birds have been known to die in forest fires because
>>>>they won't leave the nest. That doesn't mean they wouldn't flee from
>>>>fire in other circumstances.
>>>>
>>>But you claimed, without qualification of any kind, no mention of birds'
>>>desire to protect their young, no mention of birds becoming tame, that
>>>"All wildlife avoids people and their dogs." Are you now prepared to
>>>admit that you were wrong?
>>
>>No more than you are. Because what you are doing is giving examples
>>of some wildlife not avoiding humans and their dogs for some of the
>>time. In other circumstances and at other times they may well avoid
>>human contact.
>>
>Wriggle, wriggle. You claimed that "All wildlife avoids people and their
>dogs". No qualification, no restriction, no thought to the fact that it
>was a very silly sweeping statement which once more showed up your
>ignorance of wildlife. I have given you just a handful of examples. I
>could give you many more, but there would be little point, you would
>still try to wriggle.

It's not wriggling. What you sought to do was to pick out incidents
of where wildlife that is used to humans become somewhat tame.

>Just face the fact that you are (to me, very
>surprisingly) extraordinarily ignorant about wildlife and, in future,
>take more care when you make statements about it.

Coming from one who says he has unlimited intelligence, how could I
ever be as clever as you :-))

>
>>Your Iceland example is how you pick and choose incidents that will
>>not be the norm at other times.
>>
>Wrong *again*. Phalaropes are extremely well known to be completely
>indifferent to man. A couple of years ago, I photographed a phalarope as
>it bobbed up and down on the sea just a few yards offshore right in
>front of my house.

This jast shows how little you know about wildlife Many animals
understand the barries factor between themselves and those they wish
to avoid. An example of thei is a bird landing and staying on a window
sill with a cat behind the glass. They're not as stupid as you seem
to think The phalarope you mention would be perfectly aware that you
would not be entering the water.

Before criticising others you really need to brush up on your own
knowledge and stop being so foolish.

>There were no chicks for it to want to brood or
>defend, it was just not bothered at all by my presence, or that of
>several other people there. Just put "phalarope + tame" into Google if
>you don't believe me. If you knew the slightest thing about wildlife you
>would have known that and not further exposed your bias by trying to
>suggest that it was atypical, just as you wouldn't have asked your
>totally daft question about seals.

See above.


>>I admit I did not consider midges and other wildlife that are
>>agressive towards humans and treat us as prey. However, even some of
>>them also avoid contact at times
>>
>LOL! No, of *course* you didn't consider midges and predators, because
>you didn't stop to think before you posted your very silly claim that
>"All wildlife avoids people and their dogs".

Sure we get midges but not very many predators of humans in Scottish
woods. Gosh! I think I missed out the ones in trainers and tracksuits
:-)

>
>>However, human disturbance is a significant factor in scaring off
>>wildlife in woodlands and paths and tracks have been shown to be
>>responsible for the decline in capers. Are you disputing the research
>>conclusion?
>>
>Could you please provide a quote, or reference, for your claim that
>"paths and tracks have been shown to be responsible for the decline in
>capers"?

Do you not know about the research? Did they do it without telling
you? How could they!

>
>And while you are about it, I asked whereabouts the Woodland Trust are
>"paving" paths in the Loch Lomond Nature Reserve so perhaps you would be
>so kind as to tell me.

I didn't say it was the Woodland Trust.

Do you not know who manages the LLNNR?

I think you're going downhill , Malcolm. Perhaps all this
intelligence you have is boiling over. You really must try to keep it
under control :-))


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk
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