Re: Threatened capercaillies

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:29:56 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>In article <llopg11r559lgm758gal30v2rdu6jduppr@xxxxxxx>,
>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:14:39 +0100, Malcolm
>><Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>In article <l0bng1ps1m5s3db7v2flbhk4pmkc07n68i@xxxxxxx>,
>>>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>>>Research has shown that capercaillies are avoiding areas of woodland
>>>>adjacent to tracks and paths that people use.
>>>>
>>>>All wildlife avoids people and their dogs.
>>>
>>>Which is one of the most stupid remarks you have ever made, just
>>>reeking of bias and ignorance.
>>
>>No Malcolm.
>>
>'Fraid so, Angus.

'Fraid not, Malcolm.



>>>
>>>There was a seal hauled out on the rocks about ten yards from the beach
>>>in front of my house the other day. There were people photographing it
>>>from that close and there were dogs on the beach, too. The seal took
>>>absolutely no notice of either and certainly didn't "avoid" them, as you
>>>claim.
>>
>>Why was it "hauled" out on the rocks and was it able to avoid them?
>>
>I can't believe you asked that? Don't you know *anything* about seals?
>Still, that state of ignorance is completely on a par with your
>knowledge of all our other fauna and flora.

You haven't answered the question.


>
>>>
>>>Do you have a bird table in your garden, Angus? If so, how much do the
>>>birds which come to it "avoid people"? If you don't, why not? And if you
>>>don't, why do you think so many people gain so much pleasure from seeing
>>>wildlife at close quarters on their bird tables? The birds aren't
>>>"avoiding" them. Far from it.
>>
>>Which is one of the most stupid remarks you have ever made, just
>>reeking of bias and ignorance.
>>
>I have a bird table. Do you?

Yes

>
>>Just how many of the birds will remain on the table if you walk up to
>>it?
>>
>Come and see.

You haven't answered the question.

>
>>>When digging the garden, I've fed a Robin with worms which I've held on
>>>the palm of my hand. The Robin didn't "avoid" me.
>>
>>He's become tame.
>>
>So you admit that it (not necessarily a he!) is therefore not avoiding
>me.

Of course some become tame after they become used to you. More tame
when they are hungry.

>
>>>If you had ever been to Islay, which I invited you to do many years ago,
>>>you would be able to see a great many examples of wildlife taking
>>>absolutely no notice of people. You have claimed, but never given any
>>>evidence to back up your claim, that birds are shot on the foreshores of
>>>Islay. So why, if your claim were true, do you suppose that so many of
>>>the birds on our shores can be approached to within a few yards and
>>>observed going about their natural activities?
>>
>>Within yards, then they fly away.
>>
>Do they? How do you know? You've never been here. I doubt you've ever
>been out observing, actually studying what birds, or any other wildlife,
>does. If you had, you would not have made your blanket, unqualified, and
>ignorant statement that "All wildlife avoids people and dogs". You have
>clearly never seen wild ducks closely following a dog, not avoiding it.
>Or wild ducks, geese and swans closely following a human, not avoiding
>him. You should get out more, Angus, then you might learn more about
>wildlife and from that learn not to make ignorant statements about them.

Malcolm, you are mixing up animals that become used to humans and
those living in the wild. In general, all wildlife will avoid human
contact and the research is showing that capercaillie are no
exception.


>
>>>>yet fake conservationist
>>>>organisations such as the Woodland Trust are paving the forests for
>>>>recreation.
>>>>
>>>"paving"?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>Where?


Loch Lomond Nature Reserve for a start.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk
.

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