Re: RSPB/SNH slaughter of hedgehogs stopped by antihunt laws, now find loophole to blast hedgehogs instead.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:30:24 +0100, Malcolm Kane
<malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>In message <9kppg1tgn9u23b93m4h4passt2gltgk7l5@xxxxxxx>,
>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:50:54 +0100, Malcolm Kane
>><malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <lqang193vgodgmut9c81k8ii6jo6b3u4ap@xxxxxxx>,
>>>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>>>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:57:40 +0100, Malcolm Kane
>>>><malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <6hmmg15um3s4agqrf1m3rcl8in4o8711lv@xxxxxxx>,
>>>>>amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When they come out of hibernation they eat the eggs of internationally
>>>>>>>important birds - including the lapwing, redshank and ring plover -
>>>>>>>which breed in the islands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are these birds not as internationally important on the mainland?
>>>>>
>>>>>Angus I would suggest your above statement show (again) your lack of
>>>>>understanding of wildlife and conservation.
>>>>>
>>>>>As I understand it the populations are internationally important due to
>>>>>the percentage of the total population gathered there.
>>>>>
>>>>>The large numbers traditionally gathered there because of a lack of
>>>>>predators such as the hedgehog.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some clown then made a mess of things by artificially introducing
>>>>>Hedgehogs.
>>>>
>>>>What about the birds on the mainland?
>>>>
>>>>If they're in fewer numbers, surely they are in more need of support
>>>>than the ones on the island.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Angus you make a fuss about removing predators from places that are not
>>>their natural habitat - what would you say about attacks on them all
>>>over the country?
>>
>>They should not be attacked at all - wherever they are.
>
>So why are you arguing that they should?
>
>>
>>>
>>>The point is the birds naturally developed large colonies in safe
>>>places. Man made those places unsafe and is now trying to redress the
>>>balance.
>>
>>Over time they will in the face of predation.
>
>No. That is why the populations on the islands are internationally
>important those in the presence of hedgehogs have not been able to grow
>to these sizes.

But you said there were more on the islands.


>They have had all history to do it and haven't so to
>say they will is a little ambitious don't you think.

History hasn't finished. In a hundred years time who knows what one
will see when one looks back.

>
>>
>>>
>>>You always seem to want nature to take its course. All that is
>>>happening with the hedgehogs is an attempt to restore the natural
>>>balance so that nature can continue undisturbed.
>>
>>Restoring the natural balance sounds suspiciously like the balance of
>>nature which Dr Thick says doesn't exist. Do I suspect a split in the
>>ranks of the demented?
>
>Sorry wrong term what I mean was natural situation.

Kiss him and make up :-))

>
>>
>>>
>>>As mainland populations evolved in places presumably at least safe
>>>enough for the birds to attempt nesting the hedgehogs are not an
>>>introduced none natural effect.
>>
>>If they do that on the mainland they will eventually do it on the
>>islands.
>
>Showing your lack of knowledge again Angus. They haven't on the
>mainland which is why the islands are internationally important because
>of the large percentage of the world population gathered in one place.

You just said they did on the mainland and now you say they haven't.

Confusion reigns :-((

>
>>
>>>
>>>If as you claim the effort was to favour one species over another then
>>>yes somebody would be pushing for something to be done on the mainland.
>>>They are not because nature is taking its course.
>>
>>It would take its course on the islands.
>
>It couldn't because the situation isn't natural some clown introduced a
>predator which nature had not put there.

Rubbish. The predator is on thte mainland and you say that the birds
evolve to nest in safe places.


>
>>
>>>The hedgehogs are
>>>not natural to the islands.
>>>
>>
>>Neither are motor cars and many other things introduced by humans that
>>are damaging the the natural environment. Why not ban them all and
>>stop picking on hedgehogs?
>
>Because they don't actively go out and prey on hedgehogs.

You're confused again. I didn't say they did.


>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Or is it that the islands want more birds to attract tourism?
>>>>>
>>>>>No they want to keep the birds alive in the area they (the birds that
>>>>>is) chose.
>>>>
>>>>Are you drunk again?
>>>
>>>I have never been drunk but you seem to know a lot about it.
>>
>>You certainly seem to be at around 11pm.
>
>Only because that is when I mainly post and you don't like having the
>facts put to you.

What facts?

>
>>
>>
>>>Why do you
>>>feel wanting to keep the birds safe in the areas they chose is a sign of
>>>being drunk. Or is it merely that you have no answer to that point so
>>>resort to abuse as you usually do?
>>
>>It's the postings at that late hour - not the birds :-))
>
>Angus I am one of those fortunate (or unfortunate people) whose natural
>rhythms make me rarely go to bed on the same day as I get up. Not quite
>up to Margaret Thatcher who I believe only needed 4 hours per day.

It's still not the birds :-)

Perhaps if you went to bed earlier you'd be less confused.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk
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