Re: Desperate for business bank account

Peter Saxton wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:30:06 +0100, "Old Codger"
<oldcodger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Peter Saxton wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:21:35 +0100, "Old Codger"
<oldcodger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Peter Saxton wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:56:04 +0100, chappycheeky
<chappycheapy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:28:37 +0100, Peter Saxton
<peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:02:39 +0100, chappycheeky
<chappycheapy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:18:21 +0100, Peter Saxton
<peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



This is why the "single" item is in reality many independently
produced items.
pardon?

You don't understand "If the cards are made from many different
chips by different government departments it would be very
difficult to counterfeit."?
I understand that. What I don't understand is This is why the
"single" item is in reality many independently produced items.

If we have a single item of identification ( and I always have
and always will belive thatt that is the thin edge of the
fascist wedge, probably why Tony likes it so much) then it can't
be many idependently produced items. Even if we have 12
different chips from twelve different manufacturers to choose
from, one card will have one chip and therefore the problem for
criminals will be to forge one chip.

Please don't get hysterical and talk about fascism. It has as much
to do with fascism as a bus ticket or an oyster card does.

You seem to be saying that anything that makes it difficult for
criminals is fascist!

How did you mange to form that view from "If we have a single item
of identification (and I always have and always will believe that
that is the thin edge of the fascist wedge, probably why Tony
likes it so much)" As I suggested above that is the biggest use
for the sort of ID card that is being proposed.

I can't see why anyone would ever think that one card will only have
one chip. It's a load of rubbish.

Are you just trolling? First you derive fascism out of "a single
item of identification" and now you appear to have converted that to
refer to a single chip. Try reading and responding to what is
written instead of generating false arguments.

Are you mad? chappycheeky was the one ranting on about fascism - not
me!

Do you really believe what you post?

Chappycheeky seems to believe that "a single item of identification is the
thin edge of the fascist wedge". A not unreasonable statement IMHO. It was
you who said "You seem to be saying that anything that makes it difficult
for criminals is fascist!" which is *not* what chappycheeky said at all. As
far as I can see it is you who was "ranting on about fascism".

The ID card will *not* be a cure all for security against terrorists,
whatever this, or any, Government would like us to believe. It *will* be
counterfeited and identification failures with genuine cards will cause
innocent citizens very much more hassle than your little difficulty with a
bank.

Given a possession of an ID card (stolen?) the data *can* be read. The
cards have to be capable of being read remotely for travel within Europe,
that gives the bad boys another chance to obtain data from a card. Finally,
the technology is just an advancement on the familiar RFID chip. Now that
*is* scary when considered as a means of securing an ID card.

Oh, if you really do believe that it will be impossible for a single person
to have two identities IMHO you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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  • Re: Desperate for business bank account
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  • Re: Desperate for business bank account
    ... This is why the "single" item is in reality many independently ... forge one chip. ... Please don't get hysterical and talk about fascism. ... do with fascism as a bus ticket or an oyster card does. ...
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    ... "single" item is in reality many independently produced items. ... different chips from twelve different manufacturers to choose ... Please don't get hysterical and talk about fascism. ... much to do with fascism as a bus ticket or an oyster card does. ...
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