Re: Anonymous - No tax or NI Payments!!!!!??

On Wednesday, in article <IRpmVUAUEHDDFwfv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Andromeda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx "PeteM" wrote:

>Paul Carpenter <paul$@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> posted
>>On Wednesday, in article <p1yusGB6xDDDFw54@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Andromeda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx "PeteM" wrote:
>>>Buzzbomb <buzzbomb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted
>>>>PeteM wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Kellett <snail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your floor laying friend will be found out, sooner or later.
>>>>>
>>>>> How, though?
>>>>
....
>>>>- One of his clients does something to attract the attention of Gordon's
>>>>enforcers
>>>
>>>I don't follow. Can you give an example and explain how it would come
>>>back on the floor-layer?
>>
>>They audit his books and find payments and track payments to what is
>>supplied,
>
>I am assuming that our floor-layer works only for domestic clients, who
>won't have any books to audit.

Then someone works from home and claims the expense as a business expense?

>I agree that if he works for commercial companies he could come unstuck.

Very true.

>>and also check monies in that people did get the items. I have
>>received calls from VAT inspectors about car dealers checking that a car
>>was actually purchased and any other items including warranties.
>
>Hmm. Any such call to me would receive short shrift. How would I know
>they were really VAT inspectors?
>
>>
>>If they have an item for a floor layer or want to trace an actual payemnt
>>that will probably be without VAT back they will to check whether there
>>should have been VAT charged down the chain.
>>
>>>>- Random audit
>>>
>>>Of what? The guy isn't claiming benny or filing tax returns: he's
>>>effectively invisible to TPTB. Do they do random checks on bank
>>>accounts, and if so how do they match those against individual
>>>tax(non)payers?
>>
>>Well he lives somewhere in a house in his wife's name, any problems
>
>What problems?

Wife has accident causing long term incapacity. Any other myriad of
things that can happen in life, even missing or late on a payment or
monthly subscription to anything.

>>could cause various agencies to get involved from housing benefit to
>>Social Services or other agencies.
>>The fact that he is there will mean
>>some things won't be pyable and they will want proof of unemployed, they
>>may decide that the house is too well decorated/furnished and do further
>>checks.
>>One agency may tip off another so as to stop payments from their
>>agency, officially or unofficially.
>>
>
>But he _isn't_claiming_benefit. None of these agencies are involved with
>him, and are not going to be involved unless he *does* claim. Then, I
>agree, he will be in trouble. But until then, as far as they are
>concerned, he doesn't exist.

But his wife does and that is the point as it is in his wife's name, unless
the house was inherited or paid for in cash years ago, she exists and can be
the source for initial audit even as PAYE or unemployed.

>>If he is unemployed and claiming or not claiming benefit in these
>>circumstances it will trigger alarm bells to agencies.
>>
> There are millions of people who are neither working nor claiming
>benefit - for example students and mothers of young children. It's far
>too common a situation to attract any attention at all.

Mothers of young children are on umpteen lists with various agencies, and
registration of birth can be part of the trigger for Child Trust Vouchers
Social Services, Health Visitors, doctors.

Students are on umpteen lists as at 16 they get their NI number. They
already exist.

Basically BOTH he and his wife must never ask for anything or get ill or
retire.

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