Re: Observations from a Windows user

T i m <news@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:07:02 +0000, NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Roger
Merriman) wrote:


Yes, I understand the difference between Quit and Close on OSX, but
*it* doesn't. Under XP I can close (quit) Firefox and the downloads do
keep running (via the download manager which may be a stand alone sub
module?). Close Firefox XP stylee and the user is unable to do
anything else with it and all visual vestiges have gone / closed /
finished etc. The ONLY way to go back to browsing is to re-start FF.

no you don't quit firefox all you do is close a window, even under xp.

Riiight ...

i
know you say you know the differnce but your making a good show of not.

No, trust me Roger, I do. I am ONLY talking about open and closed apps
in the sense of how one is dealing with and using them. I'll try and
explain (again).

I double click FF and (for me) it opens Full screen. It is 'open' ok?

I click the close box and it closes. (= closed).

End of.

Any other interpretation of that is just bs as far as I or any
'normal' joe_off_the_street would think.

if that is your only window then yes the app is quit, if though there is
more than one window, such as a download window then only one window is
closed the app is not quit.

a quit app is that quit, some apps can have helpers/daemons that can
contine some services, ical/itunes to mention two.

Yep.


same as in windows if i quit the app all functions will stop.

Except FF etc.

no even in windows if the app is closed thats it.

Correct (from the users perception, but downloads continue by some
means (we care less how)).

no or rather the application is open until the last window is closed
even if it is just a download window. thus the app really is very much
open and running.

read r's responce as well.

Yeahbut, the point here Roger is that EVEN in OSX and in many many
instances at that, clicking on the red button DOES close/ quit the app
(full stop).

some do some don't.

Correct. Mostly because it would be pointless for them to do so. There
is no 'point' keeping FF open with no window (unless it impacted a
download etc). It can simply be opened again if required.

by the same token why use the same action to close a window to close a
application?

We (noobs) care less about the nuisances or why in some circumstances
that may be a good thing that it doesn't quit, we just see it as
frustrating and illogical.


personaly i don't have a problem going, macosx/xp/os9/ubuntu/kubuntu but
then i don't exect all OS's to behave just so

Also agreed and like I have said I can cope, it's just OSX isn't as
predictably consistent as XP on this area.

and be sad world if they
did.

I thought that's what all these 'standards' were heading for?

most of the useful infaces added to mac osx have broken or ingnored.
rules are guidence not lines in the sand, though i do agree that the
window closed, shuts app or not is confusing to some.


T i m

roger
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www.rogermerriman.com
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