Re: Firefox 3 RC1

zoara <me18@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

zoara <me18@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

zoara <me18@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[snip]

Add themes, track down GrApple Eos, and Firefox 2 looks like a Mac
app.

Nearly.

No, it looks exactly like a proper Mac app - just not identical to the
particular style that The Steve has decided is what he likes at the
moment.

It doesn't look exactly like a Mac app.

I'd say that it does - it's just that the style doesn't exactly match
the currently Apple-approved styles, but they've changed with almost
every 0.1 increment release of MacOS X.

That sounds to me like "it doesn't look exactly like a Mac app".

I think you need to read what I wrote a bit more carefully and then try
to understand my point.

If they
used the standard window widgets then their style would be consistent
with the rest of the OS. As it stands, they use custom widgets so any
theme needs to be manually updated to keep in step with the standard
widgets.

Yes, I know - well, maybe, since you've not explained what you mean by
`widget' except that I can work out you mean the word to mean something
other than what it means in the standard Mac sense. Now read what I
wrote and try to understand my point.

Off the top of my head,
background windows in Firefox don't look like background windows in
other apps.

I can't see any obvious differences here.

Ah, you're on Tiger, aren't you?

MacOS X 10.4.11, don't ask me about the stupid code names.

Leopard has a UI improvement

I'd say `modification' - what I've got with 10.4 (is Leopard 10.5? I
forget those bloody stupid confusing impossible to remember code names
and I wish people would use the sensible informative numbers) does the
job you say this `improvement' is meant to do.

where
background windows are flatter and greyer (so you can more easily pick
out the frontmost window). FF - until recently - didn't follow this
convention.

Looks like 10.4 has a flatter and paler style for background windows,
making it easy to pick out the foreground window, and Firefox here looks
like it does that the same way as everything else.

[snip]

The
button between the address bar and the search box is not a standard
button, and seems too squared off (or not anti-aliased enough at the
corners) to fit with Aqua. There's a horizontal scroll well at the
bottom despite the fact that the window is not wide enough to need a
scroll bar

I don't see that here.

Look at the bottom right of your MacSOUP window. See the resize widget?

Er? Do you mean the corner of the window that can be grabbed to resize
the window? Not all of us know what your jargon means. A widget to a
normal Mac user is something that runs in Dashboard, isn't it?

Maybe Apple's overloaded that particular jargon term so that it also
applies to something else too - if so, it's bloody confusing for you to
use it here without explaining what you meant.

Look to the left of it; what's there? I'm actually typing directly to
the left of that widget right now.

I can't see what you're doing. I have no idea what you are asking
about.

Now look at the bottom right of that screenshot. Resize widget. What's
to the left? Window content? No, an empty scroll well.

I see no link to a screenshot. There is no empty scroll well at the
bottom of my Firefox windows. There is a status line, but no scroll
well unless it's needed. When it's not needed, it goes away.

Yes, I've just checked. I've no idea what you're on about at all. The
`bug' you're reporting doesn't exist on Firefox 2.0.0.14 running on
MacOS X 10.4.11.

[snip]

And why are the two magnifying glasses different colours?

Magnifying glasses? I see no magnifying glasses.

In the two search boxes; top right and bottom left of the screenshot.

I see no link to any screenshots. I am looking at Firefox here on my
Mac - what else did you expect me to be doing?

One's a Google search box and the other's a page content search box. You
*are* looking at the same screenshot as me, aren't you?

Not at all - I'm not looking at any sort of screenshot. Why think that
I was looking at a screenshot?

I've been looking at Firefox on my Mac the whole time, of course.

What screenshot are you on about?

It might be interesting to see what problems people might have had with
various combinations of Firefox versions and MacOS X versions, but I'm
interested in what Firefox actually *does*.

It seems to me that it's obvious I'd look at Firefox on my Mac to check
what Firefox does, that (hopefully obviously) being the only way I can
be sure I'm seeing what it really does.

I think it's odd that you'd think I'd be looking at a screen shot.

Rowland.

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