Re: Disk troubleshooter?

Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Gareth John <g.johnTRIPE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

J. J. Lodder <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

Diskwarrior and TechTool are excellent tools,
for what they are designed to do.
Taking them of the market would be a minor disaster
for Mac users.

You cannot blame them for not dealing with broken hardware,

But he does say that they help reduce data loss even in that case -
after saying that they should have been taken off the market!

He's a loon.

Yet again Rowland, you jump to an ad hominem argument and start throwing
insults. Just pipe down.

I think you need to step back and calm down a bit. Take some deep
breaths, and try to regain a sense of perspective.

For my part I'm perfectly calm. There's just a mild irritation with
your bombast.

Oh, and don't think
of telling me what to do again: all you'll ever achieve that way is
irritation for yourself.

Wrong again.

I'll say what the hell I like,

Evidently, irrespective of reason or good manners.

and anyone who
tries to stop me will just get more of what he's complained about. Call
it bloodymindedness if you like, complain at me for being a prat in such
matters - but don't try ordering me around. It's never done anyone any
good.

Least of all you.

But back to the plot:

I passed a perfectly straightforward, normal comment for perfectly
straightforward, sensible reasons.

No you didn't.

You're being deeply insulting by claiming that I've jumped to an ad
hominem argument, and it's ridiculous to complain about `He's a loon'.

Check your well-thumbed Latin dictionary, and you'll find that you did
exactly what I said. Sorry, 'claimed'.

I think you need to apologise to me for your insulting claims.

Carry on thinking that if you wish. You're living in a different world
from the rest of us. One of your own creation. I claimed nothing. I
observed the truth.

Most of these absurd complaints about me come from a grotesquely
distorted analysis of what's going on.

Your own grotequely distorted analysis, in this and several other
threads.

It was a perfectly sensible remark, because the poster was flatly
contradicting himself.

No he wasn't.

So of course I called him a loon.

There's no 'of course' about it, except in your grotequely distorted
view.

It's a
concise, faintly humorous way of getting an idea across - perfectly
normal, reasonable conversation and not remotely insulting as far as I'm
concerned.

But not so far as any otheer reader is concerned. 'Concise' yes,
'faintly humourous', no - and especially not from someone who believes
(As you protested elsewhere) that any attempt at humour should be
denoted by smileys. Perhaps that stipulation only applies when the
humour is a gentle jibe at yourself.

I was criticised very severely for objecting to a much more insulting
post directed at me recently - but it seems that it's only me who's
supposed to `just swallow' nasty random insults that are meant
humorously, with other rules for everyone else?

You simply missed the point (in that other thread) that foil beanie hats
are a running gag in the group.

You seem think that
it's unreasonable for me to make a perfectly reasonable, mild remark
that no reasonable person could feel insulted by, just because you think
the person I'm passing comment on is someone who should be treated with
special respect because he's a special person?

No. I think you should do as you would be done by.

In other words, regardless of the fact that he was behaving like a loon,
I should give him rispek because you demand it? Don't be absurd!

Wrong on both counts. You should show your fellows more respect, full
stop. Like other people do their best to afford you respect. No special
pleading. no excuses on either side. And it's not *me* demanding it,
it's just good manners.

Or is it that you think that everyone else should have licence to make
mildly derogatory remarks in a mildly humorous fashion, but the rules
should be different for me?

No, on both counts.

I say you're being deeply unreasonable, and probably hypocritical too.

For someone who's so touchy about personal remarks, you should beware
of accusing me ofhypocrisy, because it implies you understand things
about me that I have not said. Omniscient you are not - and that's not a
personal remark, just a fact.

Unless your memory or comprehension is at fault, you will have learnt
from this group that 'Odie Ferrous' is rather more knowledgeable than
most of us about data recovery and failed disks.

You are wrong there. There's nothing wrong with either my memory or
comprehension. But I don't link up posters names with post contents in
memory - which means I've got no idea who wrote what in general.

It's his job, and more
than one contributor here has benefited directly from his expertise.

So what? I don't give a damn about that: whatever his suppposed
expertise, he was flatly contradicting himself.

He might have explained his point of view better, but I, for one,
understood him to say precisely the opposite of your interpretation.

"Do NOT use DiskWarrior or TechTools - they should have been taken off
the market years ago, as they simply ameliorate destruction of any data
that may need recovery."

The key phrase:

`they simply ameliorate destruction of any data that may need recovery'

These tools - he explains in simple, unambiguous terms - make the
problem less bad.

Our Dutch correspondent (see parallel posting from Jan) indicates that
the meaning was clear enough, and not as you interpreted it. The
phrasing might have been clearer: perhaps 'facilitate'or 'make more
likely', or 'make more complete' rather than ameliorate'. But I and at
least one other understood exactly what was meant.

His
view (he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that, where hardware failure is
the cause of trouble, using those utilities can make data recovery more
difficult.

Not if you interpret his words using standard English definitions.

I suspect the problem is that you don't know what the word `ameliorate'
means - and if you think it means the opposite of what my dictionary
says, maybe that error is common enough and Mr Ferrous made it too?

See above.

Could be.

But just because you and him are illiterate doesn't mean I am. I read
it as what he wrote. Did he mean the opposite of what he wrote? I can
hardly be blamed for mis-interpreting him if he *is* as illiterate as
you are.

....'you and him'! Don't accuse me of illiteracy, Rowland.

So you can see, I hope, that my remark was perfectly sensible - and I
hope you will now write me an apology for the libellous (since
published) insults you directed at me?

Live on in hope. Libel requires defamation based on an untruth. Search
in vain.

I do think your behaviour is entirely out of order - ranting and raving
at me, hurling utterly unjustifiable insults, and all because you're
illiterate...

Oh dear.

Gareth John.
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Rure Reason
    ... with what God wants done in them or what reason tells them is the ... That's because what God wants done in them, or reason would ... And you think it's OK to post nasty insults about people *with* sarcasm, ... Yes, Libertarianism, with the "core value" that retaliation is ok in the ...
    (soc.religion.quaker)
  • Re: Raining Datas Dream World
    ... I did not phrase it in the form of a question for that reason. ... greater MV development community are not here. ... platforms or out of the market in general. ... serious enough to chance the unknown pain of migration. ...
    (comp.databases.pick)
  • Re: The problem with all these "Debates".
    ... doesn't make them any less incompetent or dishonest. ... the simple reason that I usually know what I am talking about and I ... And throwing insults because of someone's incompetence, ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Why Did the Dow Rise 379 Points today?
    ... said that the bank is having its best quarter since Q3 2007 when they ... Citigroup was losing money and if they are doing well, ... beginning to appear once again and that is another reason why we ... ALL AND EVERY explaination of why "The Market" went up or down is ...
    (misc.invest.stocks)
  • Re: OT: Theory question
    ... care that people will misquote, ... an attack (and insults) about this made up information! ... Sometimes it's the wrong reason, of course, and the resulting ... I had not seen it in your posts before. ...
    (rec.music.theory)
Loading