Re: I'm a Mac engineer ;-(

On Sat, 19 May 2007 23:38:43 +0100, usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Woody)
wrote:

T i m <news@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Then I noticed it had an 'extra' audio card installed (cables hanging
out the back) but I couldn't see any reference to it in the audio
panels or system profiler things?

It didn't show up under PCI cards (I am assuming it was a PCI card
here)? This is a bit odd, as if it didn't show there then it wouldn't
work even if you got the right driver, as if it is not there, it has not
been noticed on the bus (and all PCI devices have to be noticed on the
bus to work).

Ah, I probably didn't look close enough Woody and as was mentioned
elsewhere, because *I* knew it was there I didn't waste too much time
exploring and tried the driver route. At least I know what to expect
now.

<snip>
For the same way that XP doesn't feel intuitive to most people here,
neither of them are intuitive, and you are just conditioned to expect
the XP way, and when it is different you find it confusing.

Well I will have to say much of what is done in XP is very similar to
how you do it in OSX and much of the rest has actually been intuitive
(even to me a died_in_the _wool Windows man). I guess like with many
things the devil can be in the detail.

But in this case you downloaded a disk image and ran it from there, and
exactly the same happens if you do that on XP, so I guess they are as
intuative or not as each other.

Indeed. However, my observations (from poor memory remember) and may
be affected by user settings I've long since forgotten ..

OSX: Download file .. it appears on the desktop (in this case) it
offers to open it for me and that appears as both an open folder and
an image on the desktop. I then click on what looks the most likely to
do something (ie not a read.me etc) and follow the instructions. When
I'm finished I may or may not have an icon on the desktop, in the dock
and still have the downloaded file and disk image on the desktop. If I
drag the icon out the dock and onto the desktop it explodes (that one
discussed previously). Dragging an icon from the desktop to say the
application folder seems to work sometimes and not others?

With XP I would generally save directly into the appropriate folder
(no doubts could do the same with OSX) and it might offer to open /
run it once completed. If it was a .zip it might offer to open it and
I could run the installer from there (so a bit like your disk image).
Once complete, the downloaded file would still be there (like OSX) and
the .zip installer would probably self close (OSX you would have to
eject the image?). The application would then already be in a suitable
folder and an icon on the desktop (that could be dragged elsewhere)
and often also in the start menu so you rarely have that 'where did
that go' moment.

They seem so similar yet are subtly different.


I tried to move both off the desktop to a downloads folder on the
second drive but it told me the hdd looking one (or something) was in
use?

That is odd (and one of my real gripes with windows - I don't care if it
is in use, I want to change it).

Hmmm ..

All I wanted was the Messenger icon on the desktop, what was I doing
wrong please? I think I got it there eventually but it was all a bit
hit_and_miss?

I have no clue - it is pretty intuative here, I download things, they
open, I drag them to applications and double click them, and throw all
the other stuff away.

I suppose it also might be an issue re what is part of the
installation process and what is the final application (or shortcut to
it or whatever it's called in OSX parlance).

Like, when the Messenger .dmg file auto mounted / opened the
'installer' had exactly the same (or very similar) icon to the final
application. I can't spot (yet) what is the final app and what is an
installer? So I double click on it and see what it does. With XP I can
see the difference between the installer (setup.exe) and the final app
(Game.exe) both by name and icon?

I would further suggest (and again explain some of my confusion) with
Windows you seldom just copy a single file app into a general purpose
folder, it's nearly always a full installer or a suite of files you
would (should) place in their own discrete folder, then create a
shortcut to the main app somewhere if you want to.

As you say though .. maybe I simply don't consider the steps under XP,
even when they differ slightly (mostly done on autopilot, as you are
with OSX) and still very much have to with OSX?

All the best and thanks ..

T i m
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