Re: I'm a Mac engineer ;-(

On Sat, 19 May 2007 22:31:45 GMT, "Robert Moir"
<robspamtrap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip> Had I not 'noticed' there was an extra
card in there was there anywhere in the std control panels that would
have been showing an 'unknown device' or summat (like Device Manager
in XP would have with a question mark)?

No, I don't think it would. If you dig through the profiler in detail it
would probably mention that "something" was in a slot.

Ah, that was all I was wondering. If there was somewhere someone
_who_knows_ what_they _were_doing would look to notice there was
something 'unfinished'.

To be honest, this probably isn't a common scenario. 99% of the time you
know you need to install drivers because you just fitted the card, or
because something obviously isn't working (most people I know follow this
approach with Windows too rather than wade through device mangler).

Understood. I guess I've installed Windows enough times to know to
have a look in device manager and look for the question marks. ;-)

<snip>

I suspect it doesn't feel "intuititve" simply because you are not used to
it. Windows is Windows and Mac OS X is Mac OS X. Neither feels intuitive to
someone used to the other environment.

Well I was trying to cater for that but at the time it was all a bit
frustrating. With hindsight (and pointers from here) it all becomes
more obvious ..

Intuitive with computers and
operating systems doesn't seem to mean "reads your mind", rather that you
become used to the way(s) the OS allows you to achieve a task and stop
having to think about it before you act.

Yes, I understand the concept of familiarity re this sort of thing but
it's those 'but why isn't this working' moments that caught me out. Of
course XP is more familiar to me (and therefore would never say
everything on XP was 'simple' as it might not be to everyone) it was
more that even not knowing OSX as well as XP I generally find most
things dooable. Ok I might go round the houses to do it, but I
generally get there and often faster the second time. Like, I wanted
to set the IP properties to manual and went straight to it. The last
time I did that was probably 4 months ago on OSX and this afternoon on
XP.

It took me a while when I first got an iBook and started posting here
looking for help and reassurance to get to the point I am now where I feel
equally at home in either environment, and that's with running a combined
Windows Server / Mac Server network with mixed clients for a living, and
some fairly expensive Apple certification courses under my belt.

Nice ;-)

What helped
me was being able to treat OSX like OSX and Windows like Windows, instead of
trying to make my experience of one fit the other.

As indeed I do try and only offer any comparisons within a question /
observation in the hope it might let folk get my 'direction'. "Ah, he'
doesn't get how to do X because he's trying to do it the only way he
currently knows how and that's the XP way" sorta thing. I believe we
all use what is already familiar to us to help us learn something more
(obviously not ideal all the time with OSX <> XP).

I tried to move both off the desktop to a downloads folder on the
second drive but it told me the hdd looking one (or something) was in
use?

If the "hard disk looking thing" is mounted in finder, as it would be if you
just fished the application out of it, then it's in use and thus can't be
moved, I suspect this is what tripped you here.

I believe you are right Robert. We live and sometimes remember .. ;-)

(In fact I think the way I finally[1] got them off the desktop was by
rebooting, not an elegant solution but it worked!)

All the best ..

T i m

[1] Finally as in running out of time and it was a quick / easy thing
to do.

.

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