Re: Omniweb++
- From: me3@xxxxxxxxxxx (zoara)
- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:16 +0100
John Robinson <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> zoaran substitute <nettid1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Graham Lee wrote:
> > > That is all.
> > >
> > > Well, nearly all. Have been using OW since version 2, but gave up at v4
> > > because it had issues with CSS and other features which, well, Safari
> > > didn't quite do so badly at. But Safari's UI sucked. Just picked up
> > > OW5 and paid for it after about an hour's use, it is great. Their
> > > version of tabbed browsing is just so much more...cocoa...aqua...than
> > > Safari's is.
> >
> > It's also a lot easier to use, with more features (eg draggable). I
> > have loads of tabs open and drag them around into some sort of order,
> > so I can leave a window/tab collection open, and then come back to it
> > and know that they're all the tabs I opened while searching for some
> > particular piece of info.
>
> I paid for OmniWeb 5 and loved the feature set, but over time I've found
> that I can't stand how slow OW5 is when I have a lot of browser tabs
> open.
Yep. I tend to go through sessions of purging and/or shoving windows
onto other workspaces.
> The last straw was finding that when OW5 crashed it would not only
> lose any bookmark changes since the last shutdown but also 'forget' the
> workspace I had open and open the workspace from the last time I closed
> OW5 down cleanly.
Again, yep. I have had to restore workspaces from backups.
> I'm now using Firefox with an number of extensions which come close to
> emulating the functionality of OW5's tab management features:
[snip]
> For my purposes, Firefox with this combination of extensions falls short
> of OW5's tab movement feature set in just two respects.
[snip]
Yeah, you see, that's the thing. Despite the adversity of slowdowns and
crashes (a lot less frequent than they used to be, though), I couldn't
live with stuff that fell short in the way you describe. I could live
with it, I'd just rather make the sacrifice elsewhere (ie Omniweb
crashes, oh well, restart it). The tab thing works very well (eg I can't
live without cmd-up and cmd-down) and I suspect little touches like that
might well be missing from extension-implemented functionality....
It's not just tabs though. Every so often I'll find a new feature which
proves useful; every so often I'll be forced to use another browser and
suddenly realise that what I've taken for granted all this time just
doesn't really happen on Other Browsers.
But because I take it for granted, I can't really list anything. Saved
state is one I really can't live without, and the tab management as
mentioned. What else? The history/bookmark search is good, working on
metadata as it does. Workspace management is a boon. Per-site viewing
preferences (font size, download-to, ad-blocking, autofill, styles
over-ride etc) is a can't-do-without.
> But then, when I used OW5 I usually turned the thumbnails off anyway;
> multiple pages from the same site would often be indistinguishable when
> displayed as thumbnails,
I don't normally have multiple pages from the same site open in any one
window, unless I'm flicking through el reg or engadget. Most stuff I do
gets several tabs from different sites (organised by 'subject') and,
although I hadn't realised this until now, I *do* navigate by thumbnail.
I really do remember what the various pages I have opened on the subject
of extreme knitting look like, and can pick the one that I remember
seemed the most promising from my bunch of thumbnails.
> (I don't understand why all other browsers arrange their tabs
> along the top of the window; if you're only displaying text labels you
> can fit at least twice as many down the side of the window without
> sacrificing very much screen width.)
Yeah, me too.
> > Make sure you check the box to save windows while browsing (in the
> > Workspaces window, I think) because then if you quit (or crash!) and
> > restart you don't lose all your tabs. Unlike Safari.
>
> I found a Firefox extension SessionSaver.2 which saves tabs at shutdown
> automatically and far more reliably than OW5 ever did, even after a
> crash. Admittedly it doesn't emulate OW5's multiple workspace feature,
> but then I never used more than one workspace anyway.
I do that regularly, too.
> If a future release of OW5 got back the stability of earlier versions,
> had a bulletproof session saving feature and (ideally) was a bit nippier
> when I had a few dozen tabs open I'd be happy to give it another try.
I've found current versions to be more stable than older versions. I
gave up on OW for a whilke around the 4.x mark.
> Until then, I'm sticking with Firefox.
One man's meat, etc.
-z-
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