Re: Linux hype ....

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:34:25 +0000, Neil Ellwood wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:30:44 +0000, nope wrote:
>
>> Im coming to the conclusion that the Linux desktop hype is a sack of
>> ***.....
>>
>> Im running Fedora core 3/4 and Debian across 8 machines and its all
>> starting to piss me off to the point im considering moving back to
>> windows.
> You should have got one m/c running reliably first.
>>
>> Some examples:
>>
>> 1) Often when I yum update something breaks - often something difficult to
>> fix
> Use google to find out what you are doing wrong.
[[ Ahh I see ... running yum update makes ME wrong - not the fucking
packagers - or linux itself - or the new GCC, nahhh ... its me ...

google to fix it, wow thats an idea i've never had - thank you for your
words of wisdom.


>>
>> 2) Updates causes firefox to lose its java plugin
> Has never happened to me (I have gone from man 7.2 right through to
> Mandriva 2006 beta 2)
Your not running either of two distros i've mentioned, this makes yours
the comments worthless.

>>
>> 3) Newer java runtime causes firefox not start, start from a console for
>> NO debug output whatsoever - now thats well designed for "cutting edge
>> browser"
> If your not happy with that got to Epiphany.
>>
>> 4) Pan misses and duplicates characters as I type this.
> What have You done to cause this - it has never happened to me.
Who ho ...

>>
>> 5) Open-office crashes and is not backward compatible with a lot of xls
>> files.
> Install it properly.


>> 6) NFS and evolution interact - the "stateless server" NFS server causes
>> fucking unhelpful error messages about lock ioctl or some such in
>> evolution. Restarting the client doesnt fix it - you have to restart the
>> server (or at least NFS service).
> As with the other items above you haven't supplied ANY info.
[[I don't get ANY info - thats it ... a stupid error dialog picking up
email, something like "unable to ioctl lock" or similar - NOTHING more, no
filenames, no paths, no context, no error logs... Reboot the client and
its in the same state, restart NFS on the server it works. So NFS is
stateless, except for the locking thats stateful and buggy... wow .. much
betters than SMB...


>> 7) Gnome now suffers window lockage just like windows. Open a dialog in
>> one application blocks the opening of dialog in another.
> The use KDE or Evolution or...........
>>
>> 8) SSH setup isn't consistent across linux distros - some do X11
>> forwarding others dont - some set the DISPLAY variable others dont ...
>> very fucking annoying if you have lots of machines to admin.
> Don't get annoyed try Google to help yourself.
[[I can help myself - im not complaining I don't know how, im complaining
that stupid non-portable configurations make it time consuming and
tedious.


>> 9) The only thing constant about administering apache across distros is
>> the name - every other fucking thing has a different path/filename...
> You haven't got a problem then.
>>
>> 10) Evolution is the best visual client - but you still cant drag and
>> drop attachments from within KDE .... desktop integration pha !
> Get programming skills going and do it.
That has to be single most stupid thing any fuckwit has said so far. My
programming skills will enable me to steer the compatibility of a KDE
desktop and a gnome application will it? I steer the two projects and draw
up the standards do I ? Im sorry last time I looked I wasn't part of the
open desktop joke - you know the one that allows 3 clipboards that 1/2
work and drag and drop that doesn't work.....

>>
>> Im I alone in having these day to day problems - im getting the
>> impression that things are getting worse not better as the months tick
>> by.
> YES

Ahh silly me ... as KDE slides into bloat and GNOME tries to reinvent a
poor windows clone (complete with its own XML registry and breakages) this
is improvement.... New GCC that breaks 20% of packages - another
improvement.... NFS with added yummy locking that doesn't work ... better
still .... Meanwhile the linux hype machine is claiming the Linux desktop
is ready, well maybe ... if you only want to run gimp ?


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