Re: Avian Flu, BSE and FMD

Pat Gardiner wrote:
> " Jill" <newsNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1125337251.6031.0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> "Pat Gardiner" <patgardiner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:devd8s$m4t$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> " Jill." <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:43132874$0$1312$ed2619ec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> "Pat Gardiner" <patgardiner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message >
>>>>> The virus has already mutated. That stable door can't be closed.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.promedmail.org/pls/promed/f?p=2400:1001:16306418344298210439::NO:
>>>>> F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,30213
>>>> An outbreak of highly pathogenic avian influenza A (H5N1) has
>>>> recently spread to poultry in 9 Asian countries. H5N1 infections
>>>> have caused 52 human deaths in Viet Nam, Thailand, and Cambodia
>>>> from January 2004 to April
>>>> 2005. Genomic analyses of H5N1 isolates from birds and humans
>>>> showed 2 distinct clades with a non-overlapping geographic
>>>> distribution. All the viral genes were of avian influenza origin,
>>>> which indicates absence of reassortment with human influenza
>>>> viruses. All human H5N1 isolates tested
>>>> belonged to a single clade and were resistant to the adamantane
>>>> drugs but
>>>> sensitive to neuraminidase inhibitors. Most H5N1 isolates from
>>>> humans were
>>>> antigenically homogeneous and distinct from avian viruses
>>>> circulating before the end of 2003. Some 2005 isolates showed
>>>> evidence of antigenic drift. An updated nonpathogenic H5N1
>>>> reference virus, lacking the polybasic
>>>> cleavage site in the hemagglutinin gene, was produced by reverse
>>>> genetics
>>>> in anticipation of the possible need to vaccinate humans.
>>>
>>> I think you overlooked telling us about the following paragraph
>>> from the same piece.
>>>
>>> Quote
>>>
>>> Introduction
>>> ----------
>>> Highly pathogenic avian influenza viruses of the H5N1 subtype are
>>> circulating in eastern Asia with unprecedented epizootic and
>>> epidemic effects. 9 Asian countries reported H5N1 outbreaks in
>>> poultry in 2004: Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Malaysia,
>>> South Korea, Thailand, and Viet Nam. Between 2004 and the 1st 3
>>> months of 2005, a total of 89 laboratory-confirmed human
>>> infections, 52 of which were fatal, were reported to the World
>>> Health Organization (WHO) by public health authorities in Viet Nam,
>>> Thailand, and Cambodia. These records indicate that this outbreak
>>> of human H5N1 infections is the largest documented since
>>> its emergence in humans in 1997. Efficient viral transmission among
>>> poultry
>>> caused the virus to spread regionally, leading to the loss of >100
>>> million
>>> birds from disease and culling. In contrast, human-to-human
>>> transmission of
>>> the virus is exceptional but has been described, most recently in a
>>> family
>>> cluster in Thailand.
>>>
>>> Unquote
>>>
>>> Do be careful, Jill!
>>>
>>> I can read and quickly pick up when you are being selective. It is
>>> only a question if I have enough time to check every reference.

Others can also read, and follow links.

>> I gave the reference and I gave the summary
>> There is nothing in the rest to contradict the statement that the
>> virus has not mutated into a human to human transmittable form
>> without the presence of poultry
>> Go and do some research -- google news "avian influenza" will lead
>> you to plenty of good sources
>
> I think that to avoid the "introduction" and go straight to the
> detail, and only part of that, is highly suspect - and only worthy of
> the shadier corners of the politburo.

Jill posted the published summary of the article, there was no need to
publish anything else from that article unless there were details that gave
a different picture than the summary. The section you quoted does not
appear to either add to or detract from the summary posted by Jill.

>>> Do you have a close relative that is a vet? Surely you don't have a
>>> British SVS vet in the family?
>>
>> Is this your new fixation?
>> Juvenile
>>
> ...and still no answer?
>
> Tut tut!
>
> I can promise you that this is rebounding. It would be wise to clear
> up any ambiguity immediately.

Total bullsh*t. Grow up Pat, stop pretending to be a 14 year old ignoramus.

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