Re: DN 2.157 Gotama is DEAD, but the "citta is freed once-and-for-all (ahuvimutta)"--this contradicts all of theravada
- From: Rahula <rahula_80@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:50:31 -0800 (PST)
DN 2.157] "No longer with (subsists by) in-breath nor out-breath, so
is him (Gotama) who is steadfast in mind (citta), inherently quelled
from all desires the mighty sage has passed beyond. With mind (citta)
limitless (Brahma) he no longer bears sensations; illumined and
unbound (Nibbana), his mind (citta) is definitely (ahu) liberated."
The sutta did not says what you meant. The verse was uttered by
Venerable Anuruddha as an eulogy.
"And the Venerable Anuruddha uttered this verse:
'No breathing in and out - just with steadfast heart
The sage who's free from lust has passed away to peace.
With mind unshaken he endured all pains;
By Nibbana the Illumined's mind is freed.'"
<<< WHAT IS THIS? GOTAMA IS DEAD.....PERIOD..............YET A
POSITIVE STATEMENT MADE OF THE CITTA...........thera-snakes cannot /
will NOT conceed this.
"With mind unshaken he endured all pains......" referred to Gotama
when he was alive. If the nama-rupa has ceased, what pains is left to
The taintless (anasava) mind (citta) being = parinirvana:
[SN 3.45] "The mind (citta) being so liberated and arisen from
defilements, one is fixed in the Soul as liberation, one is quelled in
fixation upon the Soul. Quelled in the Soul one is unshakable. So
being unshakable, the very Soul is thoroughly unbound Parinirvana)."
Your translation is wrong.
"By being liberated, it is steady; by being steady, it is content; by
being content, he is not agitated. Being unagitated, he personally
attains Nibbana. He understands:'Destroyed is birth, the holy life has
been lived, what had to be done has been done, there is no more for
this state of being,'"
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