Re: To paraphrase a quote

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On Sep 13, 3:17 pm, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Sep 12, 4:01 pm, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Sep 12, 7:28 am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,

It occurred to me that the sutta quote which Lee provided regarding
how
we
should weigh our grief, that it actually could be used to weigh the
emotion
that we all call "love" as well as almost any, but love is another
emotion
that can be taken to excess, and a great cause of pain in life.

I am substituting the word LOVE for grief ..... read on and think
about
it....

"'LOVE is of two sorts, I tell you: to be pursued & not to be
pursued.'
Thus was it said. And in reference to what was it said? When one
knows
of
a feeling of LOVE, 'As I pursue this LOVE, unskillful mental
qualities
increase, and skillful mental qualities decline,' that sort of
LOVE
is
not
to be pursued.

When one knows of a feeling of LOVE, 'As I pursue this LOVE,
unskillful
mental qualities decline, and skillful mental qualities increase,'
that
sort
of LOVE is to be pursued. And this sort of LOVE may be accompanied
by
directed thought & evaluation or free of directed thought &
evaluation.
Of
the two, the latter is the more refined.

'LOVE is of two sorts, I tell you: to be pursued & not to be
pursued.'
Thus
was it said."

(original quote regarding grief at this
address:http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.21.2x.than.html)

--
Best Regards,

Evelyn

If you define love sort of in the more encompassing spiritual bible
buddha true love . the love that is forever patient, the one that is
forgiving, etc. then it doesn't work at all. By definition if it
becomes corrupted it's no longer true love.
I see what your trying to do as maybe more pertaining to lust or
romance.

That pure altruistic love does not really exist, you know, excepting
in
myth.

Well I don't agree with you, and as I remember it the Buddha's take on
love was quite different also.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with word altruistic in regards to love,
in a similar way to how I'm not comfortable attaching right and wrong
to grief.

In most peoples lives, love is a more selfish pursuit, a twisted
version of self love.

Then it's not love, it's something else and using the word 'love' to
represent it feels misleading to me.

This is a complicated subject and few are capable or even interested in
determining what their motivations are in love or in grief. They prefer
to
let the emotion 'act' them.
Because these emotions are so powerful, with
such incredible impact in our lives, they are both fraught with the power
to
heal or harm. We really ought to try and understand them.

That's why we practice. I could do without the grammer school lecture
stuff and the insinuation that somehow I'm not paying attention. I let
the part where you told Keynes maybe those arguing with him just
didn't have the close experiences with grief and death that he did, I
let it slide, but I'm letting you know, just because I don't call you
out on every little arrogance, doesn't mean I don't see it.

The first time
I heard a teacher say what I have said here, I denied its truth. Now I
no
longer do that. But it took a long time for me to realize that.

You had a teacher that told you love as taught by the Buddha doesn't
exist? Now there's an interesting twist.

What you saw as arrogance was not. I am sorry you feel that way. No
offense was intended, but that doesn't mean you didn't manage to take
offense anyway.

I was not questioning your intent, I'm not offended. I've been
watching a long time, just pointing it out. I'm sorry you got offended
by my observation.

Most of what we call interpersonal love is conditional
and is an attachment. We love those who love us back
and hate those who don't. (Because they hurt us.) It
isn't fair that our 'true unselfish love' is not returned.

That's unfair, a great injustice that must be punished.
What sort of degenerate person won't love us back?
Can't they see how good and deserving we are? After
all, we have a kind and loving heart. They must be some
kind of sub-human if they can't love us like we love them.
They're not loving. They have no capacity. They're actually hateful.

I hate them all who don't love me like I love myself.
Why shouldn't they love me? I'm perfectly loving and good.

They're just a bunch of haters, and I hate them so much.


.

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