Re: To paraphrase a quote

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On Sep 12, 4:01 pm, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Awaken21" <lukecar...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> On Sep 12, 7:28 am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi all,

>> It occurred to me that the sutta quote which Lee provided regarding >> how
>> we
>> should weigh our grief, that it actually could be used to weigh the
>> emotion
>> that we all call "love" as well as almost any, but love is another
>> emotion
>> that can be taken to excess, and a great cause of pain in life.

>> I am substituting the word LOVE for grief ..... read on and think >> about
>> it....

>> "'LOVE is of two sorts, I tell you: to be pursued & not to be >> pursued.'
>> Thus was it said. And in reference to what was it said? When one >> knows
>> of
>> a feeling of LOVE, 'As I pursue this LOVE, unskillful mental qualities
>> increase, and skillful mental qualities decline,' that sort of LOVE >> is
>> not
>> to be pursued.

>> When one knows of a feeling of LOVE, 'As I pursue this LOVE, >> unskillful
>> mental qualities decline, and skillful mental qualities increase,' >> that
>> sort
>> of LOVE is to be pursued. And this sort of LOVE may be accompanied by
>> directed thought & evaluation or free of directed thought & >> evaluation.
>> Of
>> the two, the latter is the more refined.

>> 'LOVE is of two sorts, I tell you: to be pursued & not to be pursued.'
>> Thus
>> was it said."

>> (original quote regarding grief at this
>> address:http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.21.2x.than.html)

>> --
>> Best Regards,

>> Evelyn

> If you define love sort of in the more encompassing spiritual bible
> buddha true love . the love that is forever patient, the one that is
> forgiving, etc. then it doesn't work at all. By definition if it
> becomes corrupted it's no longer true love.
> I see what your trying to do as maybe more pertaining to lust or
> romance.

That pure altruistic love does not really exist, you know, excepting in
myth.

Well I don't agree with you, and as I remember it the Buddha's take on
love was quite different also.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with word altruistic in regards to love,
in a similar way to how I'm not comfortable attaching right and wrong
to grief.

In most peoples lives, love is a more selfish pursuit, a twisted
version of self love.

Then it's not love, it's something else and using the word 'love' to
represent it feels misleading to me.



This is a complicated subject and few are capable or even interested in determining what their motivations are in love or in grief. They prefer to let the emotion 'act' them. Because these emotions are so powerful, with such incredible impact in our lives, they are both fraught with the power to heal or harm. We really ought to try and understand them. The first time I heard a teacher say what I have said here, I denied its truth. Now I no longer do that. But it took a long time for me to realize that.

--
Best Regards,

Evelyn

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