Re: RESPECTicals


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On Jul 10, 8:37 am, "buddhapest" <pestaroo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Jul 10, 8:20 am, "buddhapest" <pestaroo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> <norbu_tra...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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>> > On Jul 10, 7:36 am, Julian <julianlz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> On 10 Jul, 15:21, norbu_tra...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

>> >> > On Jul 10, 5:32 am, "Julian" <Julianlz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> >> > > <norbu_tra...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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>> >> > > > On Jul 10, 3:49 am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >> "Hollywood Lee" <hollywood...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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>> >> > > >> > George Cherry wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> Over many years of practice Thomas White evolved some
>> >> > > >> >> guidelines
>> >> > > >> >> which,
>> >> > > >> >> when practiced, boil down to one word: RESPECT. The >> >> > > >> >> bottom
>> >> > > >> >> line is
>> >> > > >> >> that
>> >> > > >> >> if we inculcate the character trait of respect into our
>> >> > > >> >> cultures, we
>> >> > > >> >> find
>> >> > > >> >> that rules and guidelines aren't needed, because when >> >> > > >> >> people
>> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> > > >> >> respectful, they will do the things in the >> >> > > >> >> guidelines/rules.
>> >> > > >> >> However,
>> >> > > >> >> the rules/guidelines help create the ultimate culture
>> >> > > >> >> manifesting
>> >> > > >> >> respect. Eventually, all effective practices seem to >> >> > > >> >> come
>> >> > > >> >> from
>> >> > > >> >> fundamental human values. So, that gives us a place to >> >> > > >> >> start
>> >> > > >> >> with any
>> >> > > >> >> situation we'd like to improve.

>> >> > > >> >> Seven of the Ten Commitments of Group Work are here:
>> >> > > >> >> Guidelines for
>> >> > > >> >> Solution Oriented Meetings are here:

>> >> > > >> >> 1. No criticism, blame, or defensiveness

>> >> > > >> >> 2. Cooperate in finding solutions

>> >> > > >> >> 3. Build on other people's ideas

>> >> > > >> >> 4. Allow others' ideas to trigger new thoughts in you

>> >> > > >> >> 5. Inject humor into the process

>> >> > > >> >> 6. Arrive at the meeting early

>> >> > > >> >> 7. Sit quietly for a few minutes and reflect on the >> >> > > >> >> purpose
>> >> > > >> >> of
>> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> > > >> >> meeting

>> >> > > >> >> When mutual respect exists, enthusiasm will be great for
>> >> > > >> >> whatever
>> >> > > >> >> process
>> >> > > >> >> is adopted .

>> >> > > >> >> This has turned out to be a dynamite brainstorming >> >> > > >> >> process
>> >> > > >> >> based on my
>> >> > > >> >> personal experience, and the experience of many others, >> >> > > >> >> in
>> >> > > >> >> using it.

>> >> > > >> > There is much about this that I would like to agree with -
>> >> > > >> > but I
>> >> > > >> > wonder.
>> >> > > >> > To turn your intro inside out, it may be that for those >> >> > > >> > who
>> >> > > >> > would agree
>> >> > > >> > with this list, the list is unnecessary, and for those >> >> > > >> > whom
>> >> > > >> > it
>> >> > > >> > is
>> >> > > >> > necessary, they would never agree.

>> >> > > >> Probably true, but there are some people (I am one) who tend >> >> > > >> to
>> >> > > >> like
>> >> > > >> reminders (or admonitions) in a concise form like that. >> >> > > >> Helps
>> >> > > >> one
>> >> > > >> remain
>> >> > > >> focused or centered.

>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> Best Regards,

>> >> > > >> Evelyn

>> >> > > > hi Ev,

>> >> > > > jeepers we're both up too dang early or late... ;>

>> >> > > > i think Lee had a good point - those given to a *growly*
>> >> > > > approach
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > social interaction would reject the list George quotes before
>> >> > > > even
>> >> > > > reading to point three....so it's sort of a preaching to the
>> >> > > > choir,
>> >> > > > which, as you note, is not a waste or a bad thing.

>> >> > > > All that being said i think i do object to the stance of the
>> >> > > > author
>> >> > > > George quotes. The quoted author seems to think that >> >> > > > censuring
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > range of discussion will lead to more satisfaction in
>> >> > > > communication,
>> >> > > > exchange of ideas, etc. we have all seen over the years how
>> >> > > > neither
>> >> > > > freedom or censure are solutions to disagreement. People have
>> >> > > > been
>> >> > > > being obstreperous since there were people. People will
>> >> > > > criticize,
>> >> > > > blame, and/or be defensive if anyone tries to ban them or >> >> > > > not -
>> >> > > > better
>> >> > > > to get it all out in the open and deal with it.....Point two >> >> > > > is
>> >> > > > ok....Point three - no, sometimes an idea has to noted as an
>> >> > > > oops
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > avoid a long process of trying to apply an apple to an
>> >> > > > orange....4
>> >> > > > is
>> >> > > > good, 5 not so much - sometimes humor can be a dodge, etc etc
>> >> > > > ...point
>> >> > > > 6 arrive late and see how all the proceedings have *seemed* >> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > follow
>> >> > > > a gradual logical progression but arrived at nonsense...

>> >> > > > good intention, lousy list. too many thou shalt nots and thou
>> >> > > > musts.

>> >> > > Early Buddhism was excessively moral in tone
>> >> > > and pedantically trivial in both precept and practice
>> >> > > and one can't help feeling some sympathy with Subhadra
>> >> > > who, on hearing of the Buddha's death, sighed with relief,
>> >> > > relaxed and serenely said...
>> >> > > 'Now we shan't have to do this and not do that!'

>> >> > well yeah, early buddhism got up a few hours early, no wonder it >> >> > was
>> >> > grumpy
>> >> > conversly some might suggest that later buddhisn was excessively
>> >> > immoral in tone (Fu?)
>> >> > and subtrivial from the lotus through to the mahaparinirvana
>> >> > sutras....really - when there is so much sillyness
>> >> > i think the best we can manage at first is just to be kind to >> >> > each
>> >> > other - said kindness might involve seeming meanness, but why
>> >> > bother?

>> >> Is kindness in the eye of the giver or receiver?

>> > It is freedom from either stale notion...or accepting it all...it's
>> > not eyes and words
>> > and figuring it all out and all that shit. How could any of that >> > ever
>> > be kindness?
>> > Count the cost and then love...Great bodhisattva vow that would
>> > be...heeee!!!

>> choking on the ashes of a remedy?

> no, silly! are you ? phhhbttt!!! go look at Julians paintings.... :)

sell the kids for food

Weather changes moods
Spring is here again
Reproductive glands
He's the one
Who likes all the pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
And I say aahh

"As for the second, there has never been an origination of anything,
and when this is symbolized in terms of alphabetical letters, this is
represented by the syllable "AH" standing for [Buddha's] Speech. That
which has no origination, yet as a virtual reality actually appears,
with the capacity for causal activity, is represented by the syllable
'"OM" standing for [Buddha's] Body. The apperception of the illusory
nature which is just all-encompassing Gnosis (jnana), is represented
by the syllable "HUM" standing for [Buddha's] Mind."

http://www.dharmafellowship.org/library/texts/the-rosary-of-views.htm

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/AAAAAAAAA!.html

Disclaimer:
No kids were sold for food in the making of this post. Your own
experience may differ.

- f13

elementary penquin singing hare krishna

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