Re: RESPECT

On Jul 10, 7:36 am, Julian <julianlz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 5:32 am, "Julian" <Julianlz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Jul 10, 3:49 am, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.r...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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George Cherry wrote:
Over many years of practice Thomas White evolved some guidelines
which,
when practiced, boil down to one word: RESPECT. The bottom line is
that
if we inculcate the character trait of respect into our cultures, we
find
that rules and guidelines aren't needed, because when people are
respectful, they will do the things in the guidelines/rules. However,
the rules/guidelines help create the ultimate culture manifesting
respect. Eventually, all effective practices seem to come from
fundamental human values. So, that gives us a place to start with any
situation we'd like to improve.

Seven of the Ten Commitments of Group Work are here: Guidelines for
Solution Oriented Meetings are here:

1. No criticism, blame, or defensiveness

2. Cooperate in finding solutions

3. Build on other people's ideas

4. Allow others' ideas to trigger new thoughts in you

5. Inject humor into the process

6. Arrive at the meeting early

7. Sit quietly for a few minutes and reflect on the purpose of the
meeting

When mutual respect exists, enthusiasm will be great for whatever
process
is adopted .

This has turned out to be a dynamite brainstorming process based on my
personal experience, and the experience of many others, in using it.

There is much about this that I would like to agree with - but I
wonder.
To turn your intro inside out, it may be that for those who would agree
with this list, the list is unnecessary, and for those whom it is
necessary, they would never agree.

Probably true, but there are some people (I am one) who tend to like
reminders (or admonitions) in a concise form like that. Helps one
remain
focused or centered.

--
Best Regards,

Evelyn

hi Ev,

jeepers we're both up too dang early or late... ;>

i think Lee had a good point - those given to a *growly* approach to
social interaction would reject the list George quotes before even
reading to point three....so it's sort of a preaching to the choir,
which, as you note, is not a waste or a bad thing.

All that being said i think i do object to the stance of the author
George quotes. The quoted author seems to think that censuring the
range of discussion will lead to more satisfaction in communication,
exchange of ideas, etc. we have all seen over the years how neither
freedom or censure are solutions to disagreement. People have been
being obstreperous since there were people. People will criticize,
blame, and/or be defensive if anyone tries to ban them or not - better
to get it all out in the open and deal with it.....Point two is
ok....Point three - no, sometimes an idea has to noted as an oops to
avoid a long process of trying to apply an apple to an orange....4 is
good, 5 not so much - sometimes humor can be a dodge, etc etc ...point
6 arrive late and see how all the proceedings have *seemed* to follow
a gradual logical progression but arrived at nonsense...

good intention, lousy list. too many thou shalt nots and thou musts.

Early Buddhism was excessively moral in tone
and pedantically trivial in both precept and practice
and one can't help feeling some sympathy with Subhadra
who, on hearing of the Buddha's death, sighed with relief,
relaxed and serenely said...
'Now we shan't have to do this and not do that!'

well yeah, early buddhism got up a few hours early, no wonder it was
grumpy
conversly some might suggest that later buddhisn was excessively
immoral in tone (Fu?)
and subtrivial from the lotus through to the mahaparinirvana
sutras....really - when there is so much sillyness
i think the best we can manage at first is just to be kind to each
other - said kindness might involve seeming meanness, but why bother?

Is kindness in the eye of the giver or receiver?

It is freedom from either stale notion...or accepting it all...it's
not eyes and words
and figuring it all out and all that shit. How could any of that ever
be kindness?
Count the cost and then love...Great bodhisattva vow that would
be...heeee!!!


i think the lotus and theravadin suttas and all the rest are practices
that point to a personal experience of liberation, not some dogma, so
it's what works for individuals not some lame static truth-tooth-fairy-
thingy....

- n.

p.s.

please post links to your paintings. you haven't done that for
awhile. :)-

I still haven't got around to getting a new scanner,I'll make a note
to get one,
so there haven't been any recent updates and several of the scans are
poor
with respect to contract and colour balance but here it is....http://ptlslzb87.blogspot.com/

yep, scanner or camera, whatever let people see this. It's medicine.

- n.

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