Re: What Tibetan Buddhists don't want you know

Peter Holmgren wrote:

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We don't need armed peace forces to make peace. Think of it; "Armed peace"! *lol*


Have you ever called the police?

No. Never had the need.


You better watch some news.

I do watch the news. What does it have to do with anything? Unless, of course that the immidiate reaction makes you think, that armed forces are necsessary to achieve some state of peace. But the point is that we practise not to react spontaneously upon what meet our senses. We recieve info through our senses. Then we reflect on the object. Then we consider what action could be taken, if any nescessary. If action is nescessary, we act with awareness and compassion.

"Armed peace"? It's like "forced peace"... It wont work. It only creates more suffering. You can't impose peace on anybody. People will withdraw. But you can make them a gift og friendliness, endless patience and practise, to inspire them to change behavior.

I understand that it can be scary to look at the news, but it is a problem in your mind, and that suffering within you, you should end and not pass on to your surroundings.

World Peace can be achieved!

Do you let your children do as they please?

Hmmm... usage of complex questions are not uncommonly used as arguments....
However I'll answer this anyway. If you say that the buddhist practise is "force", because there are rules, then you have not understood the buddhist practise.
If you say that upbringing is always based on force, because there are rules then you have not understood the difference between "force" and "education".

I don't have children, but a child who does not understand why something is not constructive to do, will keep doing it. If you try force, the child will go against you. If you take your time with the child and explain, and have the child understand, then the child wont be doing those "bad" things.

Adults are a lot like children and behaves like children in many ways, but same principle allies. If the adult understands why a certain behaviour is not constructive, the adult will give up the behaviour. If you try to force something upon an adult, you will get suffering - no matter what it is you force and what your intentions are.


Have you met any criminals?

Are you implying that criminals aren't humans? Criminals ARE humans! Same principle applies. Try to force something on them and they back off - just more violently. To make them do something by force, you would have to spice the force with fear.
To answer your question - yes I have met criminals. Some of them are actually more mentally mature than most civilians.


Have you witnessed any violent crime?


I think the Buddha actually described this situation and put a rule about it in the vinaya paññatti.
Anyway... Yes - I have witnessed a violent crime. I witnessed a rape. I resolved the situation peacefully. Noone was harmed in the process. The offender even turned himself in to the police.
The girl - well - I took care of the girl for several months afterwards, but she's fine now and well into the practise. It wasn't her mind being raped - only her body...

Stumper ~ if you have a point - state it. Asking more questions lead you nowhere. What is it about "peaceful action without force" that you do not understand?




Are you sure you can tell
which action is peaceful and which is not?

Did you actually witness the rape in progress?

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~Stumper
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