Re: Reincarnation Inquiry

Mayura wrote:

The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India, By David Frawley

I'll have a look at the link when (more like if) my mother gets off the
phone to my sister. But I want you to know that your fairness and
open-mindedness are one of your most endearing features

Likewise. I would like to be able to say I see it as a general Buddhist
quality, but find it difficult to maintain, and therefore I won't say
it. Open dialogue (without ulterior pedagogical or didactic motives) is
not a quality promoted by utilitarianist Buddhism, which doesn't
appreciate the potential of "idle chatter" etc. It's a remnant of the
Muni syndrome.

This idea...

(The Soma-Snorting Plunder Monkeys one)

:-) Although I am not sure the soma snorting isn't originally an
element of the pre-Aryan Shiva cult...

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

Anthropologists divide man into between 8 and 10 major types accounting for
99% of mankind e.g. Asiatic/Mongoloid, Amerindian (from previous but
sufficiently distinct to treat seperately), African, Polynesian (probably
originally from S.E.Asia), Melanesian, Micronesian (related to the southern
Mongoloids of e.g. Indonesia), Australoid (distantly related to the Veddah
of Sri Lanka), Caucasoid (including Europe, North Africa, M.East, possibly
the Ainu of Hokkaido and Eurasiatics from Central Europe to the Himalayas).
Indic (local races include the north Indian Caucasoid type, South Indian
'Dravidians' and Singhalese Veddah).

Others divide them or put them into the same category on the basis of
other criteria. When I see categorisations, I can't help but think of
the Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things...

Danielou sees Orphism as a sort of internal reformation of the cult of
Dionysos, similar to the way the cult of Shiva was integrated into
Aryan Hinduism. He says one can sense the influence of Jaina on this
movement. According to him many Indian monks/ascets propagated the Jain
philosophy in ancient Greece...(Shiva et Dionysos, 282-283).

It's theoretically possible, in that the 23rd Tirthankara, Parsva, is
believed to have been a historical figure living in the 8th Century BC and
Orphism seems to have started a bit later than that.

Though influence can happen at any time of a movement...

But it doesn't seem
necessary to me in that they were both equally recipients of religious ideas
going back via Dionysos and Shiva to King Enmer and the Sumerians of 2850BC.

Yes and if the general tendency is to civilise, then something needs to
be done to the Shiva/Dionysos cult and you end up eating a bit of bread
and whine, instead of somebody's flesh and blood, shouting three times
Hurray (to symbolise the three transgressions or somesuch) instead of
having an orgy etc.

To me, lines of religious development tend to bifurcate at certain key
points (related to psychology) so that e.g. if you took all of the sects
spun off from Moses and compared them with all of the sects spun off from
India, you could find similarities without requiring contact. There must be
a Quaker branch of other biggish religions (or a Ceremonial, Contemplative,
Extravert, Introvert, Magical, Mystical, Warlike, Pacifist etc).

Yes, I think basically you will find a magical versus a mystic approach
(active versus passive).

That seems to fit as far as similar themes are concerned.

I don't suppose you happen to know offhand whether the Mormons are
anti-intoxicants? (like the Quakers, Buddhists etc.) It's just that ages
ago, when I was scouring religions for making belief in 'free-will'
mandatory, Mormonism was the only religion I could come up with (until I
started looking into Buddhism and interpret it that way also).

Yes, but even then you will find some strange remnants (possession
elements, called the Holy Spirit, grace or whatever). Aren't Quakers
supposed to quake and shake or something? Have you seen the little clip
of my orgiastic imam?

PS. I tried three different ways of posting my other post and none has shown
up on my screen so my apologies if it never made it.

Probably not. Pity.

Bob

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