Re: Reincarnation Inquiry

Mayura wrote:

"Thou who can broadly target personnel and equipment without the deep
damage to roads and infrastructure incurred by a single large stroke,
Thou who can be used against a variety of targets covering significant
areas, rather than, for example, pin-pointing individual armoured
vehicles, homage to Thee." (extract from Hymn to ClusterBomb).


fear of you, the dark people went away, not giving battle, leaving behind
their possessions, when, O Vaisvanara, burning brightly for Puru, and
destroying the cities, you did brightly shine'.

The Romans did indeed do that when they came here (with the Celtic natives)
but apparently, the Saxons didn't. They just slaughtered and/or displaced
the natives (as their descendents did pretty much in e.g. North America,
Australasia, Southern Africa etc.) It's an Aryan 'lebensraum' thing. My
assumption is that the Aryans did more like the latter than the former (from
the various quotes in Mr.Penguin).

Perhaps. For what it's worth:
The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India, By David Frawley

"One of the main ideas used to interpret and generally devalue the
ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. According
to this account, India was invaded and conquered by nomadic
light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-100
BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian
civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu
culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced
by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus valley
culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The
war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in
ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this
war between light and dark skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory
thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and
the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized

This idea totally foreign to the history of India, whether north or
south has become almost an unquestioned truth in the interpretation of
ancient history Today, after nearly all the reasons for its supposed
validity have been refuted, even major Western scholars are at last
beginning to call it in question." etc.

I see what you mean although 'Hindus' seems a lot more tolerant of people
concocting their own preferred combination of items from the whole wide

Yes, that seems to be true.

Supposedly Pythagoras (c.532BC)
prescribed meditation for five years to anyone wanting to sign up for his
school (?) which has an unseen unity to God, the visible world being false
and illusive and transmigration of souls etc. Russell quotes Cornford who
makes his school modified/reformed Orphism (dates?). Russell has the Orphics
as ascetic, believing in transmigration and consequently vegetarianism.

Danielou sees Orphism as a sort of internal reformation of the cult of
Dionysos, similar to the way the cult of Shiva was integrated into
Aryan Hinduism. He says one can sense the influence of Jaina on this
movement. According to him many Indian monks/ascets propagated the Jain
pholosophy in ancient Greece...(Shiva et Dionysos, 282-283).

Seeking the intoxication of 'enthusiasm' and union with god, conferring
mystical knowledge not normally obtainable. Life in this world is full of
pain and weariness. We are bound to a wheel which turns through endless
cycles of birth and death. Only by purification and renunciation can we
escape from the wheel etc. Russell makes Orphism an ascetic variant of the
worship of Dionysus.

That seems to fit as far as similar themes are concerned.