Re: peace on earth [ was Re: Bah humbug! (was Re: Is Zazen Wrong

No no no no no no no
>
> You guys are wrong in my opinion (boy that's hard to say)

good. if everyone agreed with me,
i'd pack up and go

> If you arise above duality or the universe (the field of dualities
> manifestation{mara})
> Then that is the privileged state!

mebbe. is this your direct experience?

"Of course not!
I, like I presume most on this newsgroup, am a seeker
But that is in my studies the correct understanding of the teachings."



> The consciousness abides in nothingness or pure objectivity (light)
> Swayed by nothing

again, is this your direct experience?

"The same as above."

>
> And for Tang to say that Nirvana is just another state is really wrong.
> I think sometimes we can become mired in sophistry and loose
> understanding;
> Over intellectual.

then if nirvana is not just another state,
being in it would mean total oblivion
and there would be no frame of reference
to recognize it as a state at all. mental
boundaries define states and if nirvana
can be described at all, even in negational
terms, it is simply another state. sages say
that samadhi is just a specialized form of sleep.

"Nirvana means cessation"

"Also everything is always in a state or station of some degree, it seems
to me"




> Know this:
> In our fallen or non Buddha nature condition the best we can do is
arrive
> at an advanced degree of understanding and then strive for the Buddha
> nature.

but knowing itself is of the mind and
also a state. anything you know is confined
to the limitation of words, i.e., all words are
inclusive only in that they lead back to
themselves. all knowing is imperfect.
all non-knowing is perfection.

"Yes but the state of perfection or non-knowing is characterized by the
mental condition of pure objectivity, light
or seeing things as they really are"



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